Untitled game about slicing robots in half with a fire sword

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  1. sitebender

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    ATTENTION GETTING IMAGE

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    This is an untitled game about slicing robots in half with a fire sword.

    It's been in production 2 months. There's just not much to show as the game is full of placeholder art outside of these screenshots for now, but the little details will get done. Things like conveyor belts, magnets, and a variety of tilesets still need to have art.

    This game is more about the feel. How it feels to run, jump off walls up a chamber and hang off the ledge of a moving platform while a giant robot looks down at you ready to punch you. How it feels to slash that and any robot in half with sparks, pieces and explosions flying.

    Levels will dive you under water, launch you through the air, propel you through tunnels, send you falling down shafts, and let you face off against dangerous robots in a challenging, but fun experience.

    The screenshots should speak for themselves

    WHAT THE GAME ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE

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  2. Deadly Serious Media

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    Love it! Looks like it has a good feel to it and I can't wait to see more!
     
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  3. ckelsallpixels

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    I love the attention to detail you've already got at this stage, like what you've got happening with the clouds. All the animations are very smooth and the art style's nice and clean - what to expect as you polish the game is a more varied tileset, much as you've done a good job of breaking its monotony with some foliage. Kudos to your artist, they've done a fantastic job overall, especially the background!

    Looking forward to see more later down the line! :)
     
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  4. pixeltroid

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    the game mechanics looks EXCELLENT! You said you're using placeholder graphics so I wont comment on the visuals ....yet!
     
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    Thanks for all the feedback. I'm hoping there will be more tile sets in the next few months to make the stages look different, even if they have a lot of different mechanics like magnets, turbines, water, secrets and other challenges good to go. While there's nothing new to show art wise at this moment, since the artist is working on a pub hub, I figured I'd show off some other stuff that was made a month or so ago.

    Patrollers are a weak enemy, they patrol areas. They're not out to harm you, that's just a coincidence. After all, if you were to get hit by a rolling robot, it would probably hurt. So they're an obstacle, but you can still destroy them as you wish, but these happy helpers react when one of their comrades is slaughtered by some jerk with a fire sword:

    ORIGINAL:

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    ALMOST 2 MONTHS LATER:

    Something must have changed with the compression quality. Anyway... new HUD, new checkpoints, new transporters, new player animations.

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    wow!
     
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    Nothing fresh to show, other than I spent a few days adding bloom. It's quite a burden on the game as the surface_reset() takes a large majority of the processing power despite a low resolution.

    No new level this week as tweaking level six took a while and there's just not enough new content to make a seventh level, even if there's a huge to do list to make 3 or 4 cool levels from level mechanics that haven't been added yet.

    This image below has a lot of things going in it. Bloom, wall jumps, explosive barrels, ledge clings, slicing boxes.

    Is it too much bloom?

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    EXPLOSIVE ALLEY

    Finished making a seventh demo level called Explosive Alley and it's full of explosive barrels to destroy blocks, hover mines that explode a second later, and rocket blocks that blast off into the air. Here's the grand crescendo moment of the level, a wall jumping speed segment up a destructible wall full of hover mines. It's probably a bit too brutal for a keyboard to make it into whatever final game we make out of this. Since these are just 4 minute levels to demonstrate mechanics, the other areas are much more easy and safe.

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    Other than that, our main character has all new animations. She carries the sword higher when she runs and she has a dazzling new yellow belt that I'm certain you noticed despite all the yellow sparks and debris exploding everywhere.

    NEW FOES

    There are thankfully new enemies to keep these demo levels rocking with a variety of danger. After having the same six types of foes, these new foes are a welcome addition. Two of those six enemies were cannons and turrets, which do help the gameplay since the player can deflect their projectiles and these projectiles can damage foes and flip switches Another cool new addition is the electrified enemy setting. In the past there were a few foes that were electrified meaning when you attack them, you get hurt. Now there's a setting to make any enemy electrified or not. It should be very useful.

    DIALOG BOXES... LOTS OF DIALOG BOXES

    Since there's been surprising interest from publishers we've heard of, it's probably time to get the game into an easier to understand state. Having some of my friends go through this game as they've gone through my previous games, they've been confused at certain sections, so I've added letter blocks to help the process, but that's hardly a solution like actual dialog boxes are. There are three types, ones that spring open when you go over or below them, others that open when you touch them, and the final type where you press and hold up to read it. There's no actual graphic beyond a colored box to represent these dialog box triggers.
     
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    It's... so... pretty!!!!!!!! Everything looks like it has such an impact to it! Did you make all that pixel art yourself? It's simply gorgeous!... and I thought mine was pretty decent. XD
     
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    WOW. Amazing job. I just love everything: the art, the gameplay, the effects. Incredible.
     
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    Thanks. There is a dedicated artist. Your art is dazzling.

    You can view more art here: https://twitter.com/pixelangell

    Or follow the game's progress here: https://twitter.com/DrinkingNails
     
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    More art, retouched art. More enemy sprites so new enemies will be coming. Doors and checkpoints have grander art. Same environment theme.

    I did the weekly inventory of levels, where I force myself to play through all 7 demo levels to see if it still feels good despite getting longer. The entire game still feels good, with the exception of the first two levels which are a bit more basic, vacant (lacking enemies) and let players get a feel for everything. They don't really show off some of the level mechanics or combat that well compared to other levels. I will change them as the demo levels get touched up to add more flash to the early parts of the game.

    Levels constantly get tweaked and now the visuals are getting tweaked, there are more background walls to give areas some texture. Secrets get added here and there.

    KEEP IT A SECRET

    There are now secret levels and secret exits that take the player to those levels. Not that there are secret levels yet. At the moment, all levels are played in succession, but there are now normal exits which will jump the player ahead by 2 levels, thus skipping any secret level between them. Beyond those secrets, I've been adding segments made for Twitter to be secret segments of demo levels. It's a good way to flesh out the levels, even if some of them takes me 4 minutes to speed run and that's already enough time.

    COMBAT SPAWNS

    Combat has been getting tweaked and there's not that much combat in these demo levels. To experiment with breaking up the fact that these levels are like 90% traversal, enemy rooms have been added. These rooms flood with enemies that teleport in. Flood as in a maximum of six foes as I'm not a monster. There's one room in particular that could make its own mini game as giant robots fall from the ceiling faster and faster. The room maxes out at 12 robots, since you're supposed to win and not go infinitely. In the future, I can imagine each of these demo levels getting their own enemy room with different types of foes.

    Flashes of white for damage and low health are getting tweaked to be quicker so the player doesn't literally get lost among all the white flashes. Excessive explosions that cover the player now dim to not obscure the star of the game. This goes back to the old shmup rule of "the player can never be obstructed."
     
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    Most of the week was tweaks and ensuring that things run well enough to get all the way through. Thanks to someone on the forum for helping with the shader. I'd point out your name, but you might get a flood of other requests for aide. The bloom is still a bit much, but it will all get tweaked in time. At least now it runs at 60 fps rather than 30 or 60 depending on how the game feels.

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    Now that the game has secret courses, I've been dumping some of the Twitter demonstrations into secret levels. I feel like a lot of them are too difficult and elaborate to be in the mainstream trails of the game, but they're perfect to stumble upon.

    HERMITURRETS


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    Well... they shoot and they're metal hermit crabs. Hermiturrets are the most complex foe in the game, which isn't saying much, because several of the enemies are quite basic, but more versatile. While they're still a work in progress, these metal crabs shoot four bullets before walking again. When you approach them from the front, they retreat to their shells where they're invulnerable. If they're ever in the air, which is rare, they will retreat as well until their shell hits the ground. The only way to defeat them is attacking from behind, but when they take damage, they hide in their shell once their stun animation is triggered. So you need to kill them before they retreat, otherwise it consumes more time, because they won't come out of their shell until you're far enough away.

    Since these hermiturrets fire vertical bullets, there's a new way to deflect the bullets, in different directions. Originally, all projectiles could get sword deflected back where they came from, but this doesn't make sense with vertical projectiles as you're facing left or right when you hit them. You can still leap into the air and down slash them to send them back down. Every bullet deflected goes faster and can affect objects like barrels. Foes can shoot through barrels as it's not shooting through, it's shooting by or past. Barrels are more cover objects for foes to give the player a tougher terrain to navigate. With that said, projectiles can still hit switches to make for some interesting game play.
     
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  14. Cpaz

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    Holy crap, I love the sprite work here! It looks smooth to play too. I'll be keeping tabs on this one!
     
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    excellent work
    Wow...really excellent work!
    You are putting in so much thought into all of this! :O Very inspiring!
     
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    I am happy to be an inspiration.

    I wanted a mechanical turtle that could launch things at an arc out of its shell and didn't have to move. What I got was a metal hermit crab that can really only launch things upward judging from the chimney cannon. That's another idea... chimney smoke coming out of it. Anyway, even a bit restricted to crawling and shooting, it's still a useful enemy as there was nothing really that shot upward. I'd like to have them hang from the ceiling too, but I spent enough time on it yesterday.

    The crab has a hurt animation, but the big question is how do you hurt something that hides in a shell and why it hides in its shell and so many more things to think about when I hear "here's your crab." So it's the artist going above and beyond. On the plus side, hermit crabs fit in less space than turtles would have.

    Crabs were a 6+ hour process that I mostly programmed to have something fresh to show off for Twitter. That 6+ hours even with a lot of stuff done in the parent object and copy + pasting from the hulker, turrets, and patroller enemies.

    If anyone else needs a closer look at the crabs:

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    Very cool stuff.

    Speaking of crustaceans...did you know there's a species called the "pistol shrimp" that creates a "sonic boom" by using nothing but its claw? It actually uses it to attack prey!

    Maybe this video might inspire you for another crustacean enemy design? :D



    If the robot crab can only launch things upwards, then maybe his friend, the robot shrimp shoots sonic blasts directly towards the player? Just a thought!
     
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    We will keep the pistol shrimp in mind as an enemy. I have a few ideas for it myself. In the meantime, I'm getting caught up with what the artist has given me.

    TUMBLERS

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    These fun new foes are replacements for an older, more basic, day one sort of enemy. The tumbler picks up speed and chases after the player so in the long run, they will catch up. They cannot be destroyed, instead, they can only be knocked back where they are stunned for half a second. It's tricky to even hit them as they bounce, but jumping and then attacking will work wonders. When you think your safe standing atop a higher ledge, they can climb, even if it takes them half a second to adapt to the new height. When a player leaves the screen after activating them, they stay active, so the player cannot truly outrun them. Nor can the player dodge them and send them out of the room as now enemies will not leave the room.

    Tumblers have already made previous levels more fun and dangerous, just by replacing earlier versions, which was a mini, electrified leaper that would fill enemy pits.

    DOZENS OF TWEAKS

    Beyond that, updates have been sparse and it's been mostly tweaking and enhancing what's already there to experiment.
    - Easy pogo, jump and hold down (can be toggled in the settings and doesn't work for projectiles)
    - Base no wall jump (if you're at the base of a wall, you won't wall jump)
    - Ledge, no grab jump (if you're almost at the top of a ledge, instead of waiting to ledge grab then jump, you can just jump)
    - Slash dash (hold forward and attack, it will drive your forward with your slash)
    - Hulker punch is faster and suddenly they're far more threatening
    - Slower than a pixel (everything still moves in pixels, but now things can move every X frames to give the illusion of slower movement)
    - Enemies cannot leave the room (it was still cool seeing stray foes come with the player)
    - Fun seeking hover mines have a longer range to get set off and a smaller explosion radius. Fixed the look of the damage representation.
    - Patrollers no longer shock when angry as they're just a simple fodder enemy, but thanks to shock squares, any foe can become electrified.
    - Checkpoints take 3 hits to ignite (which is more satisfying, while costing time)
    - Player's speed increase is thankfully back to normal so it doesn't look like running on ice for a split second

    Even these tweaks need tweaking, but this is all I can remember off the top of my head.
     
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    DAZZLE TO DIFFICULTY

    With Twitter, I've tried to dazzle and show off with some challenging mini courses. I assume people react better to seeing lively movement and an overwhelming difficulty overcome. I've been dumping videos of specially made challenges into a secret demonstration level. Since these are more challenging areas finding their way into the game, it's time to add difficulty levels to enemies and collectables. For the time being it's easy and under or hard difficulty and up. This way easy can have more collectables for health and well placed enemies to open secret areas, while hard can have more enemies and it too can have enemies that open secret areas.

    For example, the last .gif of the tumblers and hover mines, the hover mines will only appear on harder difficulties. It's a simple and easy system like the shock squares and power squares that change properties. This should make for a more all inclusive challenge system so everyone can have fun doing the same routes rather than getting forced into easy routes, which sees less of the game.

    To explain difficulties more, the higher the difficulty, the more damage you take when getting hit, like all my previous games. It also determines your lives, but there are currently infinite lives. It's a simple system that gets more complex with the difficulty properties for enemies.

    THERE ARE NO DOORS ONLY TRANSPORTERS

    We got the ball rolling on a grander experience to get from point A to point B. With this being a science fiction game with a lot of open air space, doors are now transporters. Even the previous iteration of doors was more like a futuristic frame of hovering rocks that almost looked like an abstract door. Now when you get near a teleporter, it will rise, almost as if a trap. The rings hover and will shut down when the player leaves the area.

    Also added is a small up arrow emoticon that pops out above the player's head when the player can use the transporter. You have to be standing atop rather than next to it or something. The transporter has a platform, so now the player has the ability to traverse slopes, even if the transporter platform is the only slope. Oh and signs that force the player to hold up to interact with also have the up arrow pop.

    HOVER BALLOON PLATFORMS

    There are plenty of hover platforms throughout the game that do numerous things, but now there's a more narrow hover balloon. Objects like the player and enemies can stand on these balloons and they'll gently float down. Leaving the platform will let them raise again to their starting point.

    VERSIONS OF ENEMIES

    For the sake of diversity, there are more versions of enemies with different looks to them that behave differently. There are two tumblers, one tumbles everywhere. The other has weight so it travels along the ground before tumbling. Hermiturrets also have sprinkler versions that shower projectiles that have a weight to them so they come down. Beyond that, any foe can be electrified, giving it a defense to shock the player and now there is an explosion on death property. Enemies can have one or the other if they have one. These new dangers are marked by outlines around them at least for now. Electrified enemies have electricity around them, but that's more difficult to see than outlines.

    ENOUGH CONTENT FOR A NEW DEMO LEVEL

    For all the new enemies and new level mechanics added to the game, a new level has been churned out. I think we're up to 8 demo levels and 2 extra test levels for testing. This new level features tumblers, hermiturrets (sprinkler and standard), and balloon platforms. You'd be amazed what a 4+ minute level you can get out of those three elements with others. It is the biggest level and you get a choice of 3 sections to tackle. If you die in any of these segments, you respawn at the choice of three.

    These three sections were from Twitter that are more challenging, so you pick your poison. The routes cover speed, endurance, and agility. Speed is outrunning tumblers. Agility is facing a gauntlet of jumps both to attack and dodge foes. Endurance is destroying a landscape full of hermiturrets.

    With eight demo levels this brings the game to 25 - 30 minutes to speed run through it. Seems like the weekly level has now turned into every 2 weeks as this project enters its third month.
     
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  20. JackTurbo

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    Killing it!

    Everytime I look at this project theres more to be impressed by.
     
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    TWITTER

    Once upon a time, years ago, a grander game developer once told me "your game will fail, you can't even get 1,000 followers on Twitter."

    Rather than discuss what was done with the game the past few days, I'd like to discuss promotion via Twitter. It's been an interesting month, because I gained 300 Twitter followers, 200 in the past 2 weeks, 20 in the past 24 hours. The ball is rolling. After trying out so many projects between shmups and platformers, nothing ever gained followers and comments like this. I went 2 years since my most liked tweet of 200 likes and now I had a tweet hit 500 likes, which is saying something for an account that was at 400 followers before it. While Twitter isn't the end all be all and it seems to be only developers rather than players, it's a good place to get feedback and learn what to keep and what to cut.

    Over the years, I've only used .gifs as I thought that was all Twitter took, but no they take .mp4s so you can dump in 30 second videos. Just keep in mind that you need to captivate people in like two seconds or less, unless people know you and you have credibility.

    WHAT WORKS BEST (FOR US)

    I discovered that for us, it works best to tweet out Saturday for #screenshotsaturday and Wednesday as those two days a week seem far enough away that one tweet won't cannibalize the other tweet as they compete for placement. At some point throughout the years, I'd tweet daily and I've tried daily tweets with this game, but when one tweet strikes it big, the next one will utterly fail unless it has that 2+ day gap between them.

    Beyond that, it's best to ask a question and heap on the craziness. At least for us. It feels like the more things we pack in, the further the tweet goes. Chances are, this is the first time someone will see your game, even if it's your thousandth tweet about the game. Tweets with single enemies and gambits of the single enemy don't feel like they go as far as a post full of a variety of enemies and mechanics. Having a lot of action helps. Explosions or dazzlement in the first two seconds probably help people stop and look at your video.

    At the other end of the spectrum, other game developers have done interviews and speeches saying Twitter is useless noise and not actual promotion. It's a good place to make connections as that's were this game received interest from bigger publishers. One wants to fund us for art and music to expedite the process rather than just publish the game.

    A SYMPHONY OF COMPOSERS

    Throughout the years, every time a tweet goes to 100 likes, it seems like a composer would offer their services. Some of these composers felt legitimately interested in the games, but since this game tends to get 100+ likes there have been a lot of composers that feel like sheer spam. Just sending me a link to their work with no statement on what they can do for the project. Amazingly this project has been offered a free song from several composers and some compose great video game music, while others might be great musicians and compose songs that fit into the background and fit the style, they just don't stand out as good music for video games. With so many offers for a free song, it makes me wonder if a lot of smaller game soundtracks just consist of donated songs. The logistics of copyrights and contracts to use music must be staggering for games that have music from 10 - 30 artists.

    Music and sound have always been last for me. It makes sense to have a game, before you go paying for music and dealing with if you can use a song or if the composer actually made the song. In the meantime, there are always royalty free music packs in a variety of shapes, sizes, and genres.

    ADVICE FOR COMPOSERS TRYING TO FIND A GAME TO COMPOSE FOR

    With this game, it seems like some composers will dump their demo reel into the tweet itself, and I assure you a week later, I'll never be able to find that demo reel again. It's just buried. It's best to message the Twitter. It's far easier to dig through messages than it is to dig through each and every tweet.

    Make a playlist of all your hottest songs rather than throwing entire album soundtracks at the game. Oh but wait, go one step further! Make a five minute track filled with 20 second snippets of your greatest work. I think this is perhaps the greatest ease of use for anyone that comes into your portfolio and wants to listen. Like a highlight reel. It's efficient and these composers are just piling up as I'm sure they pile up for any game that's going places. Full songs are for your fans, and if someone likes your sizzle reel, they'll listen to your other songs to soak in more of your work.

    Thanks! Not just killing it, but killing it in half.
     
  22. debleb

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    I really like how this game is looking! What platforms will it be releasing on? I might give it a shot.
     
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    We haven't given it much thought. We're just flattered anyone would ask us if it's being released on platforms and consoles (in other posts).
     
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    THE ROBORONIN AKA THE SLASHER

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    Most of last week was spent on promoting the game and the long climb to get the untitled game noticed. There was still enough time to fit in a new foe. The slasher is something different to diversify the foes. Attack it from the front, and you will get hit. Attack it from above and you will get hit. Instead, the tactic is to leap over and either keep running or slash it's spine if you want them dead. There are situations in the game where you'll have to kill all the enemies to open a gate. Since jumping over them and running away seems too easy, they will jump every 2 seconds and they will attack in the air to swat you back down.

    The animation with these roboronins is too subtle to truly be noticed among the chaos of all that happens on screen. They squat down, wiggle their fingers and their tunics sway. They will even stand up if you move away from them as they ease up their guard.

    With that said, they do stand and wait for bullets like idiots when these are the only foes that should be deflecting bullets to the player. That's a tweak for the future. Adding these and other enemies to the past 8+ demo levels should increase the combat even if the focus of the demo levels was to demonstrate level mechanics.

    The real downfall of this one minute area is the fact that I never slash killed any of these roboronins for their death animations. That and the fact these specific sections to demonstrate the new foe takes a few hours, but as long as we're climbing the ladder of promotion it's all worth it. These small sections of level are also good for programming, as I discover all sorts of little issues I would have never thought of.

    You get to see several ways to motivate the player in this section. Being chased by a tumbler, since they are undefeatable and can even survive explosions. Having the player forced to leap over the slashers only to land where hover mines will detonate keeps the player moving.

    CORPSE FOUNTAIN

    We all love seeing glitches and problems. Here you go, a corpse fountain:

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    Hey @sitebender. Really interesting post. I joined twitter at the end of May but starting tweeting one week ago. I got 4 followers, but lost 2 of which I have never written to or know at all.

    So, how does this funding work from a publisher? Does he get a percentage of the revenue? I got an e-mail but it appeared in my spam folder, of someone who was interested in funding Warhead, my first game. But since it appeared in the spam folder I ignored it. I thought that this was just someone who wants to hack me.
     
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    With Twitter, it seems like there are plenty of third party systems that follow most everyone hoping to a get a follow back and if you don't follow within 3 days they unfollow. Someone's Twitter profile bluntly warns people "follow for follow." Some even have systems that when you do follow, they spam you an automated letter sending you to whatever it is they have to shill whether its a Youtube channel or a way to give them money or buy them coffee.

    As for funding from a publisher, any publisher gets a percentage of the revenue, but it all depends on what the contact says. I've heard of situations where publishers wanted you to pay them a flat fee to get published, which seems odd. In my recent case, I've talked back and forth with their representative, but wanting funding for a project this early seems like asking for trouble. Same with paying a composer. On the plus side, it's a publisher we've all probably heard of before, so that felt good, but it's something that I should double check to verify they are who they say they are by emailing the actual company to see if the same person I'm talking with on Twitter is the one who will answer the emails. There are so many similar games out there from grander publishers that we seem late to the party, so maybe these publishers want to jump on the trend.

    More publishers in the modern era want a finished product rather than to fund games. In your case, if the company has a website or a presence, you can visit that website and ask them if they truly sent an email or if it's a spoof. There are a lot of shady people out there. Plus, you'll probably want a lawyer to look over any contracts before you sign them and amend the contracts in your favor.

    In the past, I had a publisher that paid me an advance when the game was done. So they didn't fund it, I just got cash when I gave them the finished or nearly finished product. Since that was an advance, they withheld my cut, until I met that threshold of the advance. It was a $1,000 advance and my cut of the game was $4,000 in the long run over 3 - 6 months. There are some stories out there of publishers that gave an advance to fund the game and the game just never made enough money beyond the advance, but at least the game was funded through advances.

    I've had one lesser publisher flat out disappear as a company. Their website is gone, their email is gone, their Twitter is gone and they haven't logged onto Steam since these things disappeared. While that publisher had a ton of shovelware and lesser games published for them, they didn't seem like they'd disappear.

    If you or anyone else out there wants a publisher, go with the one that can help you with their reach and promotion. If you're small and at the same level of fame... don't go with them. A lot of horror stories I read specify there are publishers that just take a cut without actually doing anything to promote the game. Then there are other horror stories about how the publisher funding the game owns the game, the IP, and forces the developer to do things that may impact things. Like microtransactions, changing the look of the protagonist. While this can be seen as an awful corruption, some publishers are big enough to have market research on the genre to know exactly what people want, while others just want money whether they're big or small.
     
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    Looks awesome! I have a title idea in mind "Slicing robots in half with a fire sword"
     
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    BULLET TENNIS WITH ROBORONINS

    I also paid the Roboronin slasher a visit. As mentioned in the edited last update, they can now deflect projectiles just as the player can. When they deflect, they move forward for better or worse. Pit in front of them? Jump in! It's part of a different thinking sort of element to out think enemies rather than engage them. It's either you falling in the pit from taking damage or them falling in a pit.

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    ANOTHER NEW LEVEL


    With another four segments for Twitter done, it's been 2 weeks, so a new level was stitched together and finalized. These levels designed from what I post on Twitter are devoid of new level mechanics, but the levels stand out because of the new foes. Instead of giving the player a choice of which section to go through to cut down on difficulty and level time, I was fine with forcing players to go through the entire thing as an obviously tough and action packed level. It makes this level six minutes long for me, but it's a lot of fun, since I had to dazzle Twitter, there's a lot of different things, ideas and mechanics going on.

    Running through the weekly play through, it was around 45 minutes to get through everything. According to the best times, the ball park is around 35 minutes.

    FOCUS ON THE PROTAGONIST

    A lot of the initial art focus was on the protagonist as there are dozens of little animations that get little tweaks like adding a yellow belt and what not. This week had a focus on grander art for the protagonist while I chipped away at adding more enemies. The game finally has a spawn animation and in a way I can argue it's a bit much, but in another way it gets noticed:

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    The artist can do so much more than pixel art, and here's a quick sketch of the protagonist.

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    SRiHWaFS is a catchy name. Even abbreviated, it rolls off the tongue. Actually, the artist and I pitch names back and forth. Mine are comically terrible, his are probably taken.




    NEW FOES (unfinished, needs screenshots)

    I've been adding a lot of the lesser sprites to the game. Things like new balloons, one way platforms, and even unfinished enemies. Well unfinished art. There's a lot of art that goes into each foe. Split deaths, ascending, descending, attacks, idles, movements. It's not fair for me to wait for the artist to do everything before we see it in the game.

    First up is the Robgob, which is a jumping goblin used for a lot of vehicles. They're short, and do nothing for the first two seconds they spawn. This is great for popping them out of vehicles and letting the player slash into them before they become a threat. After those first two seconds, they can spot the player from half a screen away. Once they spot the player, not only do they go nuts and start high jumping after the player, but all the other Robgobs go nuts too. I assume the one that spots the player screeches and then they all go into a frenzy. These Robgobs jump so high, they alter their speed to actually land on the player when close enough.

    The second foe is the Cartank, a car and a tank built for the Robgob to drive and shoot. It's still in a basic form that only paces back and forth on platforms, but I have a lot of big ideas for this vehicle to make it a diverse machine that the player will be able to drive in the future.
     
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    [​IMG]

    THE TWITTER


    This past weekend on Twitter was good and surprisingly keeps getting better for a small time project. With Cherry's new spawn animation we were able to both garner 100 new followers in 24 hours including some bigger Twitter accounts. It's all very encouraging after so many years of having under the radar games to getting noticed. Some were not keen on the new spawn animation as it's an explosion followed by Cherry landing, raising, and snapping her figures to reignite her flame blade. One can argue that played in reverse it makes for an incredible death animation.

    As much as you'd think incredible pixel art would be enough dazzle, other effects were added into the game to give just that animation more impact. She sparks when her fingers snap, the sprite flashes white when you're finally given control, the animation itself destroys any projectile or enemy that touches it, the screen shakes, the controller rumbles both from the initial explosion and her finger snaps. Oh and the camera starts zoomed in on her, before quickly zooming out.

    DYNAMIC ZOOM

    I opened with Twitter to talk about the zoom that's added. It's something that the artist wanted maybe a month ago. A tighter zoom on the screen so you feel the combat more. The one thing that would better show off a 3 second animation would be having the camera zoomed in on it since you can't move anyway.

    My initial game engine everything is just on a single surface as is. That was just more efficient to program in. It would be a giant undertaking at this point to make a system to zoom in and out, even if my previous games had that function to end levels. With that said, how giant of an undertaking is programming for this game? Seems easier than raising a barn. It took about eight hours and still needs work to smooth out issues.

    Since so many people on Twitter want this game to happen, I made the zoom function happen to enhance the presentation.

    Zooming in was a logistical issue as the game has to zoom in on the player, rather than zoom in on the center of the screen. This prevents hidden edges of a screen.

    The zoom system utterly destroyed a lot of other things. It destroyed the two menu systems since they drew to the application_surface rather than their own surface. It destroyed the HUD as that too would zoom in, but now it has its own surface. It destroyed smooth panning from room to room. It destroyed the view scale and placement of a lot of things. Most of these issues have been quelled for the most part. There are still some glaring issues, such as a jerky animation going from room to room and the game isn't drawn to the entire full screen.

    With the zoom functioning, different sections of level can feel different just by zooming in and out. A simple hallway can have a tight zoom to make it feel bigger. The death animation zooms in, the course clear zooms in for a brief moment. It adds a bit more emphasis on things. A new object for zoom control was added so when you touch them, the camera will zoom to where it should be.

    A lot of other effects were put into the game such as Gaussian blur in the background beneath the menus when the game is paused. The bloom now only affects the game screen rather than the HUD and menus. Those menus were awful to read with bloom. Perhaps less bloom for the menu would still give it bloom while making it legible.

    We're still discussing making the game zoom in on enemy kills.
     
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  30. CreativeJon90

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    Amazing update.
    Yeah I feel a lot of indie devs suffer from the whole not enough support on twitter stuff, but its great seeing that despite that we still keep perusing our goals and try our hardest to make the games we make happen. I love reading about updates like this, it gives us a look at the thought process of adding new features.

    Again amazing job on the new update post! Look forward to seeing and reading more!
     
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    It has been a dull week in terms of having flashy new things to show. The artist has worked out a mock up of a more finalized look for the menu:

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    KEY REBINDS

    So before replacing the original menu, I may as well show it off with key rebinds!

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    I have made quite a few games now with key rebinds and it's always a few hour process. In this case, four hours. There's all sorts of logistics that go into it, such as preventing the player from key doubling (Q cannot be both attack and jump!) along with the annoyance of key codes vs text. Luckily with this project and previous projects, I allowed for variables that hold keys, this saves a lot of time when setting up key rebinding to a 3 month old project. To prevent accidental key rebinds, I force the player to hold a key for half a second. There is also no way to back out of setting a key. That's a whole new bag of worms if you let a player out of a change key via back button or push escape. What if someone wants escape to be the key? What if there's a menu item? So at least for the moment there is no way to go back. You can always set the key to the same key.

    In previous games, I allowed the player to double bind keys, but the player was forced to stay in the menu until that was fixed. The problem with that is what happens if a player binds Q to the up key and the down key? There are all sorts of ways to soft lock the player into being unable to proceed, so it's best to refuse a double key. I personally find it a bit annoying to be refused a key.

    DUAL KEYS TWO KEYS FOR EVERYTHING

    While I'm here, I should add that it's good to have dual keys for one thing. Such as to move left, have A or the left arrow key. Not everyone wants the same configurations and it's nice to have variety. If a person feels more at home with their right hand controlling the movement or their left hand controlling the movement. It should be mentioned that German keyboards tend to have Y and Z transposed, so it could be best to avoid Z X and keep it X C for the default if not Z and Y X. Some people argue P is the best pause, while others say it's escape. This is of course if you don't have key binds or a game that requires an entire keyboard of hot keys. I still recommend a controller for most action games or platformers, but not everyone has a controller.

    ALWAYS HAVE MOVING MENUS

    Since this is a title screen menu without an actual title screen, a few weeks ago, I added the background silhouettes to add something special. Other than that, the pause menu adds a Gaussian blur to the game. You can see a lot of color and movement in this generic menu. It's a video game, people should see movement. Hence the video. Screenshots will always look subtly different. Players can tell there's something going on and the game isn't frozen.

    WARN THE PLAYER

    In the photo above, you can also see that there is a default controls option if anyone needs it, and it's always best to warn a player they're about to do anything drastic such as deleting a file, exiting a level, or reset things. You can also see the little warning make an appearance at the bottom. Not so much a warning as a notification. It's very subtle as it fits in with the notification system such as you've taken a screenshot. Since there is white text already at the base of the existing menu, a semitransparent background was added, but it probably needs to be less transparent to truly hide the white beneath. Perhaps a true warning would be front and center and in this case it should be more prominent, so that's a detail to be added at a later time. Warnings and notifications can be two different things.

    WHAT I CAN LEARN FROM MY OWN MENU GIF

    Watching your own material is good for noticing what it's missing. In this instance, I can see there's a need for visual feedback that the player is pushing a key and how long the player needs to hold that key before it's locked in. the warning should be brought front and center. There needs to be key indications for the bottom of the menu rather than empty boxes. Oh and the .gif compression seems to drop a few frames as it's not as lively outside of .mp4 or playing the game, but I can't post the .mp4s here.

    I like this default menu too much to let it go, so I'm sealing it off to keep the code and in the future, once something better is added, it will be replaced.
     
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  32. IndianaBones

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    Great point and one I hadn't considered before, it really makes your menu look polished and fun to use, and as you mentioned, let's the player know the game is still responding.
     
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    Gonna have to chime in and say that I definitely agree with this.
    I actually just added some extra movement for certain menu parts in my game thanks to this, so thanks for the reminder. ;)
     
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    MORE HUD OPTIONS

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    Without a lot of time this past week or in general, I wedged in some quicker things like HUD options. The player can now select the HUD to be normal, compact, or off. There is also an option for HUD transparency and the HUD will now fade out and in if the player is ever behind it. I can understand why similar games take a vertical approach to their HUDs as it's a lot less likely something will be coming from vertically rather than horizontally.

    Beyond that, the notifications now have more flair and will jump into existence. They transition between white to aqua color and back to grab the player's attention rather than being subtle and going unnoticed.

    TALKING ABOUT TWITTER

    Since there's nothing else going on, I may as well talk about what's going on with Twitter. I still manage to get around 100 followers per week. The posts seem to average 250 likes while the worst do a mere 140 likes, which is still far better than my other posts that were lucky to get 25 likes. That could be from almost 900 followers, but it's like the more followers I get, those likes still stay the average. I was able to score 500 likes on a post before I had 500 followers.

    I bring up Twitter, because it was a slow week, with nothing dazzling to show off, so I showed off the dazzling stuff in game... again. I am keeping to my "post every Wednesday and Saturday" mentality. I quickly discovered it's not about having fresh things to show to keep people occupied when I'm at this small of a level, it's about gaining new followers. As always, I made a fresh level segment and showed it off via Twitter to net 40 more followers for Wednesday and then 40 more for yesterday's post. I'd consider that a success as the followers are growing, even if there wasn't anything new to show off. It's about getting found. I felt like there would be diminishing returns since this is all the same environment, even if the segments of level are different, but no. Wednesday managed to get 300+ likes, which is still average, but on the good spectrum.

    KEYWORDS AND HASHTAGS

    People find us via the magic keywords I assume. We go for #pixelart #indiedev #gamedev, which in a way means that we're only showing off this stuff to other people making video games. So I started including #indiegame which seems to net a lot more non game devs, non artists, non composers. Just normal players and streamers. According to a few Twitter stats lately it seems like #indiegame gets used more than #indiedev.

    We discussed having our own hashtag and giving our nameless game a temporary name for the hashtag so people can better find everything about the game, but chances are with us being so small, our own hashtag doesn't matter at this point and we need to keep harvesting the more common tags. Plus, I'm sure most of the traffic comes from being retweeted by larger Twitter accounts that found us via the typical keywords and hashtags. Also remember, when you get popular (anywhere) pay it forward to the next little project you believe in.

    WHAT WORKS FOR THEM VS WHAT WORKS FOR US

    I stick with the Wednesday and Saturday posting mentality even after discussing with some friends who work for companies with their own social media divisions, they tell me to tweet 1 - 5x a day. There are articles that say to post 5 - 20x times a day, which to me sounds like spam or excessive tweeting. I assume with excessive tweeting, it will all blur and blend together to the point where nothing has an impact.

    I see bigger publishers publishers and gaming news sites getting 10 - 100 likes per post for 10k - 100k followers. You would think with that many followers they'd get 1k likes for everything, but many just post so much since they have so much to talk about. Then again bigger names are doing a lot of things so maybe fans only care about one thing they do and not the other 20 things they juggle. Perhaps people followed these companies and personalities years ago and no longer visit Twitter. Oh and not everyone has to click like; view and go. There are still major tweets that get 1k - 10k likes, but those are months in between.

    Then again, with this logic, posting once a week may have a bigger impact. Twitter might want people coming back several times a day to read tweets from your favorite things and people. I tried the once a day method and it didn't garner me as much as twice a week.

    Also, to break down some numbers, it seems like for every 10 views of a .mp4 I get a like and I get 1 retweet for every 4 likes. The first hour always seems to be the most profitable in terms of likes and retweets. Oh and after 24 hours tweets die with the exception of a few. Sure there are a few stragglers that will like things during the week, like 5 likes for the next 7 days, but that's it. Comments are utterly random and it helps to ask a question or at the very least say something funny.

    THANK YOU AND NO THANKS ( THE TWITTER LEGEND )

    We are both happy to get every sort of feedback we receive and we're both thankful that people care. So between the artist and I on our Twitter accounts, we have both thanked many people... but last year there was some Twitter scare about people getting banned or shadow banned for saying Thank You. We have yet to be banned for saying it or shadow banned (where you're never told you're banned), but perhaps that has been corrected or it never was a problem in the first place like a chain letter.

    LEVELS FROM TWITTER

    As always, Twitter likes are not the end all be all, but it's good to gauge interest and get quick feedback. Chances are with the Twitter posts of tough segments, I'm making people feel the game is more challenging and spectacular than it really is and that will hurt in the long run.

    Running so low on time this week, I was unable to stitch a level from the last 4 segments, so now this next level will have 5 or more segments from Twitter. It's just getting monotonous, because there's a similar structure to most Twitter segments and so having so many levels with these same structures probably isn't good to play through, even if these are just demo levels to show off mechanics, there's just no new mechanics for these levels, so why bother turning these segments into a level? They will still be tweaked and added somewhere into the game. I just don't look forward to having another challenging 5 segments into a game that already has 10+ challenging segments.
     
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  35. pixeltroid

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    you have an excellent project in the works. IMHO, the twirly ornamental design of the new HUD is taking up too much space to the point that its cluttering up the screen a bit.

    I liked the earlier version of the HUD. It's decorative while being subtle. And it still looks cool without feeling overdone.

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  36. sitebender

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    I have to agree with you there. Less is more when there's so much possible action on screen. Even turning it off seems fair as the player will blink and have other warning signs when low on health. I can probably add the previous HUD back into the game as a setting.
     

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