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Opinion The GMC needs a safe space

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NPT

Guest
I think it's time for the GMC to have a safe-space forum.

This special forum will be the cross-section of every forum except only positiveness. Absolutely nothing negative, nor anything that could ever be remotely interpreted as negative.

Some thoughts:
  • Every post will be on moderator preview.
  • Every sentence must be terminated with a smiley.
  • The safe-space sub-forum skin should be pink, purple and pastels.
  • All game reviews must be only positive, you're not allowed even constructive criticism.
  • Rename the Report button to Triggered which will automatically delete the offending post. No need for a moderator to approve because the fact that your feelings were hurt is the only real issue.
  • Any kind of freedom of speech and fact based postings will take a back seat to emotional rants and made up unsupported truths.
  • The Like button will be renamed to Hugs.
  • Although this is a Game Making forum discussion of Games will actually be discouraged, is it's virtually impossible to portray minorities, underrepresented and marginalized people without offending them.
  • Every post will contribute 10 points to your participation ribbon count.
  • Reporting of individuals will display a menu of various popular .....IST or ....PHOBE suffixes allowing one to permanently lable an offender. Once again no need for moderator approval, the important thing is your feeling override fact.


Of course bashing the privileged is welcome because there is no such thing as reverse-discrimination and reverse-oppression.
 
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ConsolCWBY

Guest
*tiptoes in*
But I agreed with NPT more often than not...
NPT said:
Of course bashing the privileged is welcome because there is no such thing as reverse-discrimination and reverse-oppression.
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If that's the worst that will ever happen to them, then they are lucky!
*runs out*
 
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Matthew

Guest
ConsolCWBY said:
*tiptoes in*
But I agreed with NPT more often than not...

If that's the worst that will ever happen to them, then they are lucky!
*runs out*
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Getting called a name can hardly compare to the suffering of losing a loved one to cancer. Heck, if the worst that happens to someone is getting called a ******, then they're quite lucky.
 
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ConsolCWBY

Guest
*peeks out from under couch*
Matthew said:
Getting called a name can hardly compare to the suffering of losing a loved one to cancer.
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The HELL are you rattling off about??... Define and explain how EXACTLY HOW I did this. o_O Besides, aren't you the guy who advocates this kind of thing??
*waits for the answer*
 
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ConsolCWBY

Guest
*...still...waiting...*
Look, I asked you a question. If you cannot answer it, then why do you post?... Or are you thick enough that you do not understand my question, so you resort to trolling?
 
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Matthew

Guest
ConsolCWBY said:
*...still...waiting...*

Look, I asked you a question. If you cannot answer it, then why do you post?... Or are you thick enough that you do not understand my question, so you resort to trolling?
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You're roleplaying on a gamemaker forum's off topic section. It's a legitimate question.
 
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ConsolCWBY

Guest
Matthew said:
You're roleplaying on a gamemaker forum's off topic section.
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Proof? or do you mean this thread:
https://forum.yoyogames.com/index.php?threads/my-learning-disability.3381/#post-25569
Does that make me senile? Retarded? Autistic? Is THAT what you mean?.. I'll tell you something, what you posted in the closed thread - in a few threads -make me ill. Does that mean I am pretending? When I post info, from 1st party sources, backing up my claims - does that make me a troll?
I believe what I believe because of my experiences. These experiences will not go away from because someone doesn't like or agree with them. I don't agree with everyone, but I don't see them as an 'enemy'. So, exactly what am I saying that contradicts what I have said or done here in the past? Because, I'm going to tell you the truth -right here, right now: I will disagree with anyone - no matter who -but will NOT disrespect them, unless they disrespect me OR others. And whatever your opinion is, have it. But understand, some of it I can never respect.

Now, how is ANY of this RPing?

Because, you do not like it?
 
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Matthew

Guest
*tiptoes in*
*...still...waiting...*
*runs out*
*peeks out from under couch*
*waits for the answer*

Are you supposed to be an adult, or an eight year old child? Well-adjusted people don't type "tiptoes in" on a discussion thread. It wouldn't even occur to them as a possibility. Fully-functional adults don't "peek out from under the couch" after leaving a message. And then you have the audacity to ask for proof? My god. You're sick. Your brain just isn't healthy.
 
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ConsolCWBY

Guest
Oh. Sorry if I offended you. Nevertheless, you should have explained it to me in a civil manner. Because, I didn't know that your use of RolePlaying meant THAT or was a term for a troll tactic. And your polite explaination is much appreciated. You may not understand this, but, when I was on QLink - it was considered acceptable to do this when on bad terms with mods. In fact it was encouraged. You may not know or understand what I just said, but then I don't think you actually care. Instead, like a troll, you changed the subject after ATTACKING ME:
Matthew said:
Getting called a name can hardly compare to the suffering of losing a loved one to cancer. Heck, if the worst that happens to someone is getting called a ******, then they're quite lucky.
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So, explain yourself. WHEN DID I EVER DO THIS? <===(That's my original question there before you trolled me)
 
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NPT

Guest
In an effort to bring back this topic from the derailment some seem intent on driving it, I'm going to drop the satire and describe a situation where the safe-space loving social justice warriors have used their skewed sense of justice and name calling to frighten individuals and large entities into submission.

The targets of the regressive left is vast and complicated, so the first thing we'll look at is racism.

For two years the American Red Cross has created and distributed the following pool saftey poster without complaint:

red_cross.jpg

The this tweet appeared:
Hey, @RedCross, send a new pool poster to @SalidaRec bc the current one they have w your name on it is super racist pic.twitter.com/TY8MmFB3Qk

— John Sawyer (@JSawyer330) June 21, 2016
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Immediately both the American Red Cross society and the specific recreation centre apologised and discontinued the use of the poster. The Red Cross will now go to the expense of hiring diversity training consultants, recreating, printing and distributing new posters.

They then issued this formal apology, still available on their website:

http://www.redcross.org/news/press-release/Red-Cross-Issues-Statement-on-Water-Safety-Poster

Monday, June 27, 2016 (Washington, D.C.) – The American Red Cross appreciates and is sensitive to the concerns raised regarding one of the water safety posters we produced. We deeply apologize for any misunderstanding, as it was absolutely not our intent to offend anyone. As one of the nation’s oldest and largest humanitarian organizations, we are committed to diversity and inclusion in all that we do, every day.

To this end, we have removed the poster from our website and Swim App and have discontinued production. We have notified all of our partner aquatic facilities requesting they take down the poster. Our organization has emphasized to our partners and on social media that it was absolutely not our intent to offend anyone and apologized for this inadvertent action. We are currently in the process of completing a formal agreement with a diversity advocacy organization for their guidance moving forward.
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Although the original tweeter didn't describe the racism, we can only speculate what the offensiveness really is. The consensus seems to be there are more dark skinned kids who are labled as "Not Cool" for breaking the rules and not labled "Cool" for following the rules than light skinned kids.

This accusation is absurd.

But the bigger issue is Red Crosses reaction, while they acknowledge no racism was intended, they "deeply apologize" to those who are offended. It doesn't matter that the poster is NOT racist, it doesn't matter that there was no intent. All that matters is somebody was offended, they're apologising and they are going to accommodate them.

They are a charity organization, they do not need the added expense of recreated the materials, taking diversity training, recreating their app and scrutinising all their other material. Their money should be used for charitable work.

This is one of the consequences of the social justice warrior, their willingness to shout racism and tar people and organizations as racists. The sad thing is; these false accusations and them being taken serious is not helping to reduce racism, it's polarizing people even further.
 
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Law

Guest
I don't like SJWs for focusing to much energy on things people should really not care about, to the point at which they become offended easily, by things that should not be offensive. This also applies to the people who listen to these morons, like your charity, but I can't help but feel it also applies to the individuals who like to go on rants about SJWs.
 
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Wabbajackalope

Wabbajackalope

Member
"Moral certainty is always a sign of cultural inferiority. The more uncivilized the man, the surer he is that he knows precisely what is right and what is wrong. All human progress, even in morals, has been the work of men who have doubted the current moral values, not of men who have whooped them up and tried to enforce them. The truly civilized man is always skeptical and tolerant, in this field as in all others. His culture is based on "I am not too sure.”

the modern socialist system is not tolerant, tolerant means that if if you dont like something you try to address it in a civilized and logical manner while respecting the same boundries that you yourself want respected, it terrifies me how some people will,quite literally, do everything in their power to destroy and silence a person simply because you both dont share the same opinion.

but i do have to ask one thing which i have never understood, why isnt the effort put into going after the people not put into pushing the debate forward? i mean i have no problem if you have a sound argument and i dearly and truely want to hear it but when people resort to just attacking you instead of addressing you, i just dont comprehend it because everything is in public, sure we make mistakes and thats fine but why is it that the intent and context of a persons actions are no longer taken into consideration?

@ConsolCWBY we are not on QLINK, most of the people on here are, or at least are trying, to be professionals in the hopes of making a career out of our work. typing out these little gestures does not contribute anything of substance to the discussion. please stop actively trying to derail the discussions.

@Law rants i agree, but you have to also take the time to address the valid critisms that might be raised, either way the lack of people trying to make sound arguments is a huge problem.

thank you
 
Ninety

Ninety

Member
I have a little theory that the "social justice movement", such as it exists, is not a rights movement but in fact a counterculture in much the same way as we might describe punk rock or hippies. The key is that it's less based around music or aesthetic (rainbow hair and piercings possibly excepted, if you subscribe to that particular stereotype...) than social discourse. Similarly to how hippy culture focuses on spiritual values in opposition to the perceived secular bankruptcy of mainstream culture, and how punk rock denounces corporate structures, the social justice movement focuses on the injustices of modern culture and the media.

It's not a perfect definition but it does explain why a small number of people will always be outraged at any form of minority representation in the media, or the actions of any member of a racial/sexual/class majority - always trying to find some fault. It's not that it's actually impossible to be completely non-racist. It's that such people take pride in being vehemently anti-culture, and will continually attack culture under the guise of "justice" in order to carry out this agenda.

When your sociocultural identity is based solely around your own oppression, you look for any possible way in which to prove yourself right. Calling them a "counterculture", therefore, also explains why they look for increasingly small issues to get angry about - "microaggressions". As gay/trans rights and race representation are reaching broad mainstream support, people are desperate to still be seen as edgy and progressive.

Not that it's wrong to care about representation issues or the like. God knows we have a long way to come. I think, though, as race/gender egalitarianism becomes the norm rather than the exception, we need to begin focusing on how we can all work together to improve culture, rather than drawing arbitrary battle lines between demographics (which, in my opinion, is in face exacerbating such issues rather than solving them).

Honestly, in the last few months I'm becoming increasingly disenfranchised from the young Left. I still identify as strongly liberal, but I just can't condone this kind of thing. Horseshoe theory has never been so relevant. Anyway. Political rant over.
 
chance

chance

predictably random
Forum Staff
Moderator
NPT said:
In an effort to bring back this topic from the derailment some seem intent on driving it, I'm going to drop the satire and describe a situation where the safe-space loving social justice warriors have used their skewed sense of justice and name calling to frighten individuals and large entities into submission..
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I thought this topic was actually about the GMC. Perhaps just coincidence, but you posted this shortly after a member criticized you for hostility. If you initially wanted to discuss "social justice warriors" run amok, I thought you'd be more direct.

If this really is about social justice, here's my take. Yes, we have people afraid to criticize racial or religious groups out of fear they might be labelled as bigots. But we also have people justifying hate speech by saying they refuse to be politically correct. Both situations are equally harmful, IMO.

Both problems arise from inarticulate speech. It's possible to criticize any group, without seeming racist, homophobic, xenophobic or misogynist -- if you're articulate and thoughtful. It requires good communication skills, and is generally better in writing. Likewise, it requires readers willing to read several pages of often subtle and complex analysis, and exert the energy to absorb it.

It can't be done on Twitter, or in short sound-bites on the news.
 
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Galladhan

Guest
chance said:
Yes, we have people afraid to criticize racial or religious groups out of fear they might be labelled as bigots. But we also have people justifying hate speech by saying they refuse to be politically correct. Both situations are equally harmful, IMO.
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*Applause* This is exactly what i think too.
 
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seanm

Guest
Matthew said:
You're roleplaying on a gamemaker forum's off topic section. It's a legitimate question.
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But you rollplay as a braindead idiot 24/7 on the offtopic forum. I don't think you've posted anywhere else.


just trollin lol. /s
 
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StuffandThings85

Guest
Sure, as long as we can make another space for people high up on their pedestals. You're complaining about SJW's, while exhibiting the exact same behavior of an SJW by making a whole new thread promoting more pointless drama. So, who's the triggered one here?

While I agree there are plenty of people out there that are way too sensitive and need to develop a thick skin, at the same time some people need to grow up and get over themselves. If someone wants to be an arrogant jackass, then go ahead, just don't get mad when someone calls you out on it.

This is a forum for game discussion, not to vent your frustrations on strangers.
 
Lumenflower

Lumenflower

Yellow Dog
To argue with these people is to get down to their level. It's immature to be hateful of someone who is hateful yet still assume you have the moral high ground. You're not going to convince them of anything by arguing, the best thing is to ignore them.
 
RichHopefulComposer

RichHopefulComposer

Member
Matthew said:
Are you supposed to be an adult, or an eight year old child? Well-adjusted people don't type "tiptoes in" on a discussion thread. It wouldn't even occur to them as a possibility. Fully-functional adults don't "peek out from under the couch" after leaving a message. And then you have the audacity to ask for proof? My god. You're sick. Your brain just isn't healthy.
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Careful. "Trolling" with actual malice and without any wit or charm is just schoolyard-level bullying. And there's a good chance Consol is much younger than you, especially on these forums.
 
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MishMash

Guest
Druid TC said:
To argue with these people is to get down to their level. It's immature to be hateful of someone who is hateful yet still assume you have the moral high ground. You're not going to convince them of anything by arguing, the best thing is to ignore them.
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I wouldn't really consider this hating them, I would consider this poking fun :) And who cares if it's immature to poke fun :p!
 
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Roa

Member
I don't know what triggers me more: @Matthew saying I have no right to an opinion by calling my space awful, or @Braffolk culturally apportioning hatred from my head mate. Leave ZirSelf alone. (#triggered MFW- Zirself auto correct is herself)
 
Yal

Yal

🐧 *penguin noises*
GMC Elder
I'm surprised how many people I thought had been banned for exactly the behavior they exert in this topic haven't been, just saying... :p
 
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Roa

Member
Yal said:
I'm surprised how many people I thought had been banned for exactly the behavior they exert in this topic haven't been, just saying... :p
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This is a joyous time of year yal. It is now only 4 months from Christmas, and we're in spirits of forgiveness and making merry. The gifts (of ban hammers and coal) come later. Are you willing to accept the miracle of the thread that was inclosable into your life?
 
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