I could explain it but it is much better to just post it and see what the thoughts are. Here is the beta for my newest crazy hard game: Sundered Arvena Yes I know about the save and load crash issues, use those save points with care... looking into it and would appreciate any help or comments on how I might go about fixing the issue. it is a ds_map_create(); and destroy type setup. I also know the spawners are crazy. Might be tuning those in the future. However, the game is beatable and you CAN win lol. constructive criticism welcome!