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What do you guys think of it?
That's nice and all, and I don't deny that it's not healthy, but we already have much more harmful drugs legalized. Now you didn't explicitly state a view, so I don't really know where you stand. If you want more drugs outlawed, that's fine. If you want weed legalized, that's also fine. But to claim that marijuana should be illegal because it's unhealthy and then claim that the current system (in which "traditional" cigarettes are legal and allowed in public places) is consistent and works is not a self-consistent or logical claim.<rant>
https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/marijuana
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_(drug)
Information can't be more official then this ^
But I never said it should be illegalNow you didn't explicitly state a view, so I don't really know where you stand. If you want more drugs outlawed, that's fine. If you want weed legalized, that's also fine. But to claim that marijuana should be illegal because it's unhealthy and then claim that the current system (in which "traditional" cigarettes are legal and allowed in public places) is consistent and works is not a self-consistent or logical claim.
Let me rephrase thatShould that stop people from smoking it? Of course not, cigarettes also have bad effects, alcohol abuse too, but people still do it, and those are still legal.
I have never done it, and will never do it, and I don't care if other people do it, it's their buisness, but nobody should ever deny the health risks.
Yes, it may be one of the safest drugs, but that doensn't change that it is really bad for your health. "There is worse" does not justify anything.This is like one of the most safest drugs granted you don't drive, besides caffeine.
So then you and i are actually in agreement on the policy and just have different personal views on the matter.So, my main point: If Marijuana should be illegal, other (non-hard)-drugs (cigs, alcohol, etc) should be too, if it should be legal, other (non-hard)-drugs should also be.
Ya, but a gun will kill you in a second the moment you pull the trigger... a blunt will not, in fact you could probably still live a long-happy life in-spite of having used one, plus it makes you high... not that-that i would know... /Putting a gun to your head and pulling the trigger could be 'potentially fun'. Whether you actually like the results would remain to be seen.
Well I'm sure glad you're not being elitist about itDrinking and later smoking are the pleasures of the plebs. Although all people have brains not all of them can use them properly and they can not feed them except with hogwash, they can not feel the enjoyment of creating something with their hands or brains. But drinking give such a pleasure. "Wine or cinema - it is the same". When they became 30-40 years old you can feel their brains are damaged. Drugs are even worse. Don't expect anything good from such people.
"You" wouldn't exist anymore. Whether you like it or not is irrelevant, you wouldn't be there to tell.Putting a gun to your head and pulling the trigger could be 'potentially fun'. Whether you actually like the results would remain to be seen.
Well, statistically speaking, it is a one off.I remember one of my mates blowing his brains out on his front porch with a shotgun due to drug induced psychosis when he was 16 or so. Solely a marajuana user.
His parents came home that night to a headless body with bits spread all over the yard.
Their dog was still retrieving skull fragments several months later.
But that was just a one off, right? Won't happen to you guys.
I know that hemp and cannabis are not the same thing, Nocturne (infact i wrote "cannabis" and then i corrected myself). But what i was suggesting, is that they demonized cannabis cause they had to cut out hemp. The plant is the same, what changes the name is the percentage of THC level in it (am i right?). All the beliefs that cannabis destroys your brain, or make you a killer or a suicidal, are an heritage of the propaganda which started back in the '30s. At least, this is my personal viewThat's HEMP not the same as the cannabis being discussed here... sadly hemp and cannabis are often considered the same thing although they aren't, something which is fueled by the government. Hemp is incredibly versatile and the main reason it's not being used anymore is financial... check out what hemp is actually capable of and then think about how that will affect the main BIG industries (petro-chemical, timber and pharmaceutical).
I actually love you.Such drugs make people dependеnt in high degree. Dependency is close to slavery. In the past everything that ruins the nation was forbidden because if people are weak the state is weak. Now that is a bit different in many aspects so people can destroy their lives easily. In my country people are smoking from 10-12 years old and in 16 most are seriously drinking. They think it is good to share that in a company but consequences are on their own.
Drinking and later smoking are the pleasures of the plebs. Although all people have brains not all of them can use them properly and they can not feed them except with hogwash, they can not feel the enjoyment of creating something with their hands or brains. But drinking give such a pleasure. "Wine or cinema - it is the same". When they became 30-40 years old you can feel their brains are damaged. Drugs are even worse. Don't expect anything good from such people.
The reason to forbid such drugs officially are 2. First, people can get easy in the trap and can not exit it. It was never released in game, maybe I will do, but when the enemy can ruin your units or make them dependent with drugs you will ban that (or not - the player will have a choice ).
The second reason is that such a business is not regulated, no taxes, no competition so if you have enough black and white power you can do the business. It is your private business and noone can interfere in it, like a feudal, or a master of slaves in the good old times and the income will be huge. If it is legalized that is to put you on the next step - something most serious which should be illegal (because of the incomes). People think illegal means out of control but it really means in the absolute control. They want your money and you decide.
Yep pretty much that's it in a nutshell. I feel I should point out that I am NOT advocating the use of cannabis for anything other than medicinal uses, and that I do feel HEMP is a product that should be getting far more attention and use than it is. Drug use of any form is not something that I can condone (I don't drink alcohol either, and I take very little refined sugar, since that's probably one of the worst drugs of all!). However it annoys me greatly that these myths about the cannabis plant (of which both Hemp and Marijuana are derived) are constantly propagated, prohibiting the study and use of a plant that for thousands of years was known as a "wonder plant" and that could potentially alleviate the suffering of millions.All the beliefs that cannabis destroys your brain, or make you a killer or a suicidal, are an heritage of the propaganda which started back in the '30s
Amen.Yep pretty much that's it in a nutshell. I feel I should point out that I am NOT advocating the use of cannabis for anything other than medicinal uses, and that I do feel HEMP is a product that should be getting far more attention and use than it is. Drug use of any form is not something that I can condone (I don't drink alcohol either, and I take very little refined sugar, since that's probably one of the worst drugs of all!). However it annoys me greatly that these myths about the cannabis plant (of which both Hemp and Marijuana are derived) are constantly propagated, prohibiting the study and use of a plant that for thousands of years was known as a "wonder plant" and that could potentially alleviate the suffering of millions.
The only reason why i didnt give my own opinion is because i dont think its good nor do i think it is bad. I only posted this topic because im curious to what game devs have to say about it. Its a stupid topic but still somewhat entertaining.Dear god so much disinformation and crap about one of nature's most intriguing substances. The topic OP didn't really say much (and tbh, if I'd seen this later I'd have closed it... If you are going to make a topic asking people's opinion at least GIVE YOUR OWN to start with...), yet everyone here is jumping on the idea that the only thing you can do with marijuana is smoke it and get high. This is NOT the case and it's actually got so many chemicals that are proved to be beneficial to humans on so many levels that you'd be amazed.
For example, Parkinson's disease:
That's just one example of how the drug can help someone, but it can help arthritis sufferers, cancer patients (and potentially help cure some types of cancer), epilepsy, and people with chronic pain. And that's just for starters! Sadly however, due to it being more/as illegal as heroin and other class A substances, research into the different substances within different strains of cannabis plants has been very slow and difficult, although it appears that in many European and in the US this is starting to relax and actual proper studies and trials are being done.
I'd also like to note that on the subject of marijuana as a recreational drug, extensive studies have shown that ALCOHOL is more dangerous than crack or heroin and that marijuana is a fair bit further down the list than that. Also note, that unlike almost every other recreative drug out there, people that use it are not violent or aggressive or lose control of themselves and generally do no harm to anyone. In fact most of the "stoner" ideas out there are complete stereotypes and have only a minor grounding in reality, and from what I've read on the subject the only time it is dangerous to use is if you are under 20 (since it can stunt brain development and easier form addiction) or have some kind of mental illness. This article is a pretty good (although very shallow) explanation of some of the myths of using cannabis.
Also note that the reason why it's illegal in the US have far more to do with politics and the wish to control mexican immigrants (and give a department with nothing to do something to do). In the rest of the world it comes from political, racial, and religious reasons (Sharia law being one of them!) which are waaaaay to complex and involved to explain here, so I'll just link this and recommend that people inform themselves before talking about it: http://www.drugpolicy.org/blog/how-did-marijuana-become-illegal-first-place
tl; dr:
So, marijuana, or more correctly called cannabis, has been proven to be beneficial in dozens of medical cases, has no real bad side effects, does far less damage than most other recreational substances (including legal ones), and was widely used and considered completely benign by most of the world until people started politicising it's use as an easy way to get votes/money/control.
Can you guys at least inform yourselves before talking about stuff like this?
I got the irony but need to clear I am not using the word "plebs" in its material side as money but as a way of thinking and desires.Well I'm sure glad you're not being elitist about it
I got the irony but need to clear I am not using the word "plebs" in its material side as money but as a way of thinking and desires.
Well I'm sure glad you're not being elitist about it
It's tragic when these things happen. But the likelihood this was caused solely by marijuana, is as likely as playing violent video games will cause you to kill someone. The drug use and affinity for violent games are most likely symptoms, not primary causes, of deeper personality traits.I remember one of my mates blowing his brains out on his front porch with a shotgun due to drug induced psychosis when he was 16 or so. Solely a marajuana user.
And people still think this works with firearms, or butterfly knives, or pretty much any substance or utility deemed "unfit" for society. Didnt work during the alcohol prohibition either.Making these drugs illegal is silly to me.
Doing so will only motivate people to find ways around your system, and if they REALLY want there drugs, they WILL find a way to do so.
Make it legal then add restrictions and regulations on it, a tax, a minimum usage age, advertising limits, a license, etc.
You cant stop people from using drugs by taking there drugs away, it didnt work for prohibition and it hasnt yet worked for this.
They in my opinion should be legal but controlled, regulated, discouraged but not illegal in there use.
The people who do get hooked on this stuff should be given methods to get out, those who cant control themselves will likely stop after rehab, those that can control and moderate themselves wont, there health is there own, if they want to get high-as-sh*t, then thats there choice, not yours.
Like with drinking, you gotta accept that this stuff exists, and that people wanna use it, you can ether ban it and thus force people to ruin themselves under your nose, or you can compromise and make it legal, and at least control what damage is done, and give yourself some say in the manner.
I mean, i think this 'experiment' happening in the US will be a good thing, at least when compared to there previous 'Life sentence for looking like a stoner/black-dude' approach.
Whatever, just my two-cents of course, rail on my opinion all you want lads!
good-day!
'magic drug that fixes everything' you say?And people still think this works with firearms, or butterfly knives, or pretty much any substance or utility deemed "unfit" for society. Didnt work during the alcohol prohibition either.
But yeah. Nothing wrong with. Its stronger than it used to be, but as long as you regulate its use like not being able to drive, its alright. I just wish people would stop bullshiting about all the miracles it performs in medical and all this other crap lmao. Everyone is always trying to sell it off as some magic drug that fixes everything. Like you dont have to lie about it to convince people cause it shouldn't be illegal regardless. Its only purpose in medicinal practices is being a sedative and some people with breathing problems can benefit. But thats all it is, a sedative, and not even a very good one. Its only used as a last resort for people that have reactions to other drugs, at least, used to be that way.
What people do in their own homes is no one elses concern so long as no one is in danger.
In Utah, marijuana is classified as a Schedule I substance, which means that it has a high potential for abuse, and no generally recognized medical value.
- Up to and including one ounce. Penalties include a fine of up to $1,000, up to six months in jail, or both.
- It is illegal to cultivate or sell any amount of marijuana (or possess marijuana with the intent to do so) in Utah. Penalties include a fine of up to $5,000, up to five years in prison, or both;
But yeah as far as how high you feel, that's a more complex story. I read that police have to show there's THC in your blood within 2 hours of you driving, to charge you with impairment.As with alcohol, there is an established impairment level in Colorado: five nanograms of active tetrahydrocannabinol (THC)—the active psychoactive component of marijuana—per milliliter of whole blood.
http://www.cannabixtechnologies.com/thc-breathalyzer.htmlWho knows maybe weed breathalyzers are right around the corner.
"It is addictive, it is damaging to the brain." Indeed it is addictive, not as addictive as other drugs, but is addictive. About the brain damaging part, that should be taken lightly, it does have effects on the brain that affect it's overall function, but they aren't really serious, most aren't long term either. The main things poeple should be worried about is there lungs, and their ambitions. I like how you sourced, I encourage others to do the same!WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!!!
Marijuana is one of the most pointlessly discussed topics of all time IMO. Constantly people trying to defend it and saying that it's good for you, with a lot of pointless arguments, and then people showing facts, that are ignored.
I have nothing against weed smokers, but they just shouldn't try to deny that it's unhealthy lol, not by comparing it to "nature and spirituality", or "good for medical health" (it's only like that in very specific contexts), and for sure not use "scientific studies" that are actually not scientific, and from websites with not much good sources.
It is addictive, it is damaging to the brain, lowers your overall life satisfaction, lowers your physical health, and so on. Those are all facts that nobody should deny.
Should that stop people from smoking it? Of course not, cigarettes also have bad effects, alcohol abuse too, but people still do it, and those are still legal.
I have never done it, and will never do it, and I don't care if other people do it, it's their buisness, but nobody should ever deny the health risks.
https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/marijuana
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_(drug)
Information can't be more official then this ^
Maybe you shouldn't smoke so much weed! You spent 8 days WRITING THAT POST!Oh no! I just bumped an 8 day old topic D:
This is a brilliant post sir! I appreciate the facts!Dear god so much disinformation and crap about one of nature's most intriguing substances. The topic OP didn't really say much (and tbh, if I'd seen this later I'd have closed it... If you are going to make a topic asking people's opinion at least GIVE YOUR OWN to start with...), yet everyone here is jumping on the idea that the only thing you can do with marijuana is smoke it and get high. This is NOT the case and it's actually got so many chemicals that are proved to be beneficial to humans on so many levels that you'd be amazed.
For example, Parkinson's disease:
That's just one example of how the drug can help someone, but it can help arthritis sufferers, cancer patients (and potentially help cure some types of cancer), epilepsy, and people with chronic pain. And that's just for starters! Sadly however, due to it being more/as illegal as heroin and other class A substances, research into the different substances within different strains of cannabis plants has been very slow and difficult, although it appears that in many European and in the US this is starting to relax and actual proper studies and trials are being done.
I'd also like to note that on the subject of marijuana as a recreational drug, extensive studies have shown that ALCOHOL is more dangerous than crack or heroin and that marijuana is a fair bit further down the list than that. Also note, that unlike almost every other recreative drug out there, people that use it are not violent or aggressive or lose control of themselves and generally do no harm to anyone. In fact most of the "stoner" ideas out there are complete stereotypes and have only a minor grounding in reality, and from what I've read on the subject the only time it is dangerous to use is if you are under 20 (since it can stunt brain development and easier form addiction) or have some kind of mental illness. This article is a pretty good (although very shallow) explanation of some of the myths of using cannabis.
Also note that the reason why it's illegal in the US have far more to do with politics and the wish to control mexican immigrants (and give a department with nothing to do something to do). In the rest of the world it comes from political, racial, and religious reasons (Sharia law being one of them!) which are waaaaay to complex and involved to explain here, so I'll just link this and recommend that people inform themselves before talking about it: http://www.drugpolicy.org/blog/how-did-marijuana-become-illegal-first-place
tl; dr:
So, marijuana, or more correctly called cannabis, has been proven to be beneficial in dozens of medical cases, has no real bad side effects, does far less damage than most other recreational substances (including legal ones), and was widely used and considered completely benign by most of the world until people started politicising it's use as an easy way to get votes/money/control.
Can you guys at least inform yourselves before talking about stuff like this?
I don't need your birth certificate to know you feel the way you do probably because you are a biased user of the drug yourself.It's so sad to see how misinformed the -mostly young- people here are about cannabis. Just in case you do one day find out how relatively harmless it is(especially when consumed without combustion) please do not conclude that every other illegal drugs harmfulness has been equally exaggerated.
I had an over-emotional reaction to this thread mainly because the kind of people who do this stuff have made my entire life a living hell to the point of many times i wanted to end it all.This bump tho. I smoke weed and I love it. I'm not preachy though, to each their own. I'm also a very science-minded guy and I dislike the stereotypical "weed cures cancer" and other assorted crazy statements that some weed smokers go on about (though this is definitely not unique to weed, ever talked to hardcore vegans? or animal rights enthusiasts? Nothing against either of those groups, but they definitely have their fair share of crazies, much like the marijuana crowd).
@Samuel Venable correlation does not equal causation. Simply seeing a lot of mentally ill people using a particular drug (especially a relatively easily accessible one) does not necessarily mean the drug caused the mental illness. It's equally likely that being mentally ill meant they sought an 'escape' and started smoking pot. Or that being mentally ill places people into situations where drug use is common more often. Or that there is a genetic linkage between risky behaviours and mental illness (meaning that when the gene that carries the mental illness is passed on, the risky behaviour gene piggybacks with it). Or etc etc etc. We need a lot more study, not personal anecdotes, to determine what links there are and aren't.
Having said all that, don't smoke if you don't want to. Don't attack people who do.