we have somehow turned this into a social justice issue again and are only viewing it from a social lens, yet again. I hate even having these conversations sometimes because I know some people will never look past this in modern times. Literally no one should be talking about gender, yet its the only thing anyone in this convo will mention...
@Nocturne We're not talking about how people identify themselves. That has no bearing on how they are physically built. If a few backwater countries have different recognition of genders or trans people is not even a point. Labels are just that. Trans are every where in the world and they still are recognized. No one just wishes them away or denies they exist because we are in western culture lol. We simply don't completely re-categorize them, but see which they fall closest to.
Your articles are reactionary. They are published around the same time as the caster stuff as to shift the focus like "but he did it too" mind set. Yeah, Russia and other countries cheat a lot, and you know what? They medically test them, and their test results are announced publicly to the world, where they either participate or are banned outright. They banned over 100 entrants in the last Olympic sporting event. Sure sounds like they just allow everything and they get away with it, right? Why is this a problem when its people demanding to see how closely a trans falls under their chosen sex category? Just because things can be unfair to a point doesn't mean they should do nothing at all, again, going back to my
"strawman" of how maybe there just shouldn't be sexual division at all. You don't think pulling 10 second ahead of the group and breaking a world record by 2 seconds, 90 years in the making is a big difference in ability??? There is no denying that this is without a doubt, quite a noticeable exception.
And again, going back to this 10%. If no one understands them, what makes you qualified to speak for them? Are you on a moral high ground or something? Are you one? Is there a study to understanding the oh so different feelings of a trans? Do you know all of them are oppressed and have a hard life by birth alone? Do they ever have good times, or are they only viewed as inhuman and in need of protection buy social justice? Is there a linear progression of the character they exhibit by being alive?
We live in one of the most accepting and technologically advanced times for people to be who they want, and yet people say this now more than ever. Can we stop this default narrative that the world is out to get them all?
Also...no. Binary gender is definitely does NOT have its starting point in Christianity. Binary gender comes from developed/developing worlds in general, because the division and distinction of male and female was often how survival was ensured. People found out real quick that women, bearers of children were ethically suited for work in homesteads and care practices in conditions of raising children before death, while men were sent off to work longer hours of vigorous labor and deal with dangerous situation like hunting or war or what ever else. This stems from very basic realizations of biology and connection on the value of sexuality in each sex. Women are valued much more sexually as ovary and egg are limited (9 month waiting period) and child labor could even cause death, so just the act of giving children was dangerous already. Men were not valued for sexuality as semen can be reproduced by nearly every male in a matter of hours, so form a survival standpoint, its not as important if they live, besides the fact that they are structured to be stronger and deal with things, so it was mores suited to give them the more grueling task. Genders spawn from these realizations of biological truths, just as gender norms of the western world do. Binary genders has largely been the most common culture norm the world over and very few pockets of people really make a huge leap from them. Places were Christianity has never even touched. Ironically to your comment, the places that don't have binary genders are mostly places that have genders spawned from increased medical practices, in reverse, complete lack of technological growth that keeps up, or views of faith. This is sociology 101. This is literally first week material. Its only because of the devaluing of sex procreation and people's time that you would even bother to be aware of these things Noc. People are so obsessed with labels now days. This entire shift in social norms is only happening because its not required to live as people live longer, sexual value has decreased significantly, and we live in times of relative peace.
And yeah, none of this is "that simple", that's why we are discussing it. It wouldn't need to be a conversation if it was. HOW EVER, we seem to keep steering this in a social justice direction about how bad they have it vs, what can actually be done about the problem. Just more accusations of who is and isn't qualified to talk about it or be oppressed. Its such a one track mind, to always and only look at these people through the social lens. Its literally exhausting to read.
@RichHopelessComposer You're being ridiculous. No one is allowing known extremities like this. Clearly no one has a real answer to fit either side. You're being way too black and white on something you yourself represent with such ambiguous fluidity in opinions. No one is saying hulk hogan should go smash on the highschool girls wrestling team because he wants to hand himself a label.
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Actually, you know what? I'm out already. This is pointless and retarded. These conversations dont go anywhere. I already know there are some people who literally can't see or imagine the world and people without social lenses. And others who will be obstinate to fight against a vocal minority by drawing unrealistic and arbitrary lines in the sand so.. what ever. There is no solution because we can't even stay focused on the issue. It somehow always turns into an us vs them vs us for them, and I'm just not willing to deal with it anymore. I'm so glad everyone knows best for trans and we talk about them in absolutes and like their cattle owned to a group.