Ideas to STOP gun violence...

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  1. Ghost in the IDE

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    Robbers generally don't carry guns where I am from.

    Most of the time they are desperate or opportunistic teanagers.
     
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    Give everyone a laser beam cannon, we will have no need for inferior guns. But anyway if you get rid of guns we will have an increase in other violences, mass stabbings happen, obviously guns are superior for virtually any attempt to cause mass harm.
     
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    Would love to see data on these claims. Especially from nonpartisan sources (ie no NRA or anti-gun lobbies)
     
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    Honestly, it's never the weapons' fault that there's violence. Humans killed each other since the beginning and will continue to kill each other until the end of time.
    This is a human issue, therefore the solution lies on the human level.
     
  6. Ghost in the IDE

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    Only in 'Murica.
     
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    Yes, it's not the poor tool of death's fault, it never meant no harm.
     
  8. Nocturne

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    Umm... No. Let's look at Australia once again:

    • While 13 gun massacres (the killing of 4 or more people at one time) occurred in Australia in the 18 years before the NFA, resulting in more than one hundred deaths, in the 14 following years (and up to the present), there were no gun massacres.

    • In the seven years before the NFA (1989-1995), the average annual firearm suicide death rate per 100,000 was 2.6 (with a yearly range of 2.2 to 2.9); in the seven years after the buyback was fully implemented (1998-2004), the average annual firearm suicide rate was 1.1 (yearly range 0.8 to 1.4).

    • In the seven years before the NFA, the average annual firearm homicide rate per 100,000 was .43 (range .27 to .60) while for the seven years post NFA, the average annual firearm homicide rate was .25 (range .16 to .33).

    • The drop in firearm deaths was largest among the type of firearms most affected by the buyback.

    Source: https://cdn1.sph.harvard.edu/wp-con...4/2012/10/bulletins_australia_spring_2011.pdf

    As for Crime Rates in Australia (and in the US, believe it or not) these have steadily fallen over the last decade, proving that removing guns does NOT increase violent crime. Let me just repeat what I've been saying throughout this topic... Removing guns is NOT ABOUT REDUCING CRIME. It's about reducing the number of people that DIE FROM GUNS. Less guns means less people die, it's that simple.

    Oh, and if you look at the most PEACEFUL countries in the world, you won't find the US (but you will find a number of countries with strict gun control laws ;) ), but curiously enough the US does feature in a list of the most VIOLENT cities in the world. Funny that. Nothing to do with guns, of course.
     
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    "other violences" aka non-gun related
     
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    First person: "Guns don't kill people! People kill people."
    Second person's retort: "yes, but people kill people with guns!"

    The trouble is that while it is indeed a "human condition" (that is, violence), guns allow humans to make it eminently easier to kill fellow human beings. Sure, people go fisty cuffs all the time around the world, but it is quite hard to kill another human being with your fists only. It takes time, and it is far more personal. A gun often empowers many people with a feeling of 'life or death', almost god-like powers, over the lives of fellow human beings.

    When guns are drawn in a fight - well, it's a rather effective and quick impersonal method to kill your fellow human being. Point and shoot. Dead. The distance involved between the two parties only helps in furthering the impersonal aspect of killing someone with a gun.

    Of course, as long as the human mind insists on imagining bipolar illusions to be the reality of life and the universe, fellow human beings will continue to suffer at the hand of their fellow human beings, and continue to treat other living beings as mere 'meat' or 'product'. Anxiety will always be part of their lives. Anxiety feeds fear. Fear leads to lashing out at others. Simple as that.
     
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  12. Ghost in the IDE

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    Doesn't happen.
     
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    as i read the comments i wonder, how much of your points are objective, and how much psychologically driven. some people seem to not have objective knowledge. to me
     
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    That statement does not conclude that other violences do increase, it just concludes that violences as a whole decreases because gun violence is removed.
    In other words if 10 crimes where done with guns, and 5 with knives prior to taking guns. Then when guns are taken, gun crimes lesson significantly in this example I'll say 1 crime commited with gun now and 7 crimes with a knife now. This does happen, although overall numbers do decrease in my example 9 less gun related crimes and 2 more knife related crimes. My statement is not made un factual.
     
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    Im curious about the demographics of those countries when compared to our own. Obviously guns are a powerful tool to cause harm, they invoke fear and give power this is why most violence to committed to show power and to make a personal gain however unrealistic the ideology is behind it.
     
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    You think if you outlaw guns, then outlaws will obey the law? What logic is in that?
    It'll just be a little harder. Also, don't think the government is totally innocent. The very idea that the government would take your guns implies they will make you want them back later.
    We all agree that it's stupid to kill innocent people, no? You do have to choose to be stupid, or
    your parents have to raise you that way, which is their own choice of stupidity. if the gov'ment has guns, but not the people, then suddenly, "everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others."
     
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    Which part of this don't you understand? :confused:

     
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    I personally own four guns, one of them being a handgun. I enjoy going to the range and shooting some targets at the end of a long day. I don't hunt, never cared for it. I don't care for the NRA, and I don't need their support. I don't support mass killings with a gun or without. In my 39 years, I have never pointed my gun at anyone, and I have never shot anyone. I, like most Americans, just tend to mind my own business. Many Americans with guns, simply like them. We like to fire them, collect them, etc. We're not all just gun toting gangsters. I don't mean to imply that any of you said we were, but at times, it seems like the perception of the people we share the world with. I do agree, gun control needs to be stricter by the way. Not all Americans are like me, and I understand this. Some have evil intent, but I simply do not believe it to be the majority, there are over 320 million of us.

    I'd love to see discussions about coming up with ways to solve the main causes of death, not only within my own country, but within the world as a whole. America is but a fraction. Some of the top leading causes of death in the world, have nothing to do with guns. Heart disease, strokes, cancer, and diabetes are just a few of the major causes that claim millions of people a year. While I'm sure those discussions are indeed happening somewhere, they just don't seem as important as whether or not there are too many guns in America. And look, I don't state that based entirely just on this discussion, I've seen or heard it many times elsewhere. I believe we all tend to meddle, point fingers, but we also all tend to be blind towards greater issues.
     
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    I respect your opening opinion there. And while I can't speak for anyone else I personally don't hold the opinion that gun-rights advocates are usually "gun toting gangsters." I also agree with you in that we shouldn't ignore things like heart disease, strokes, and the rest you stated. Mass murder with guns has been very recent however and I think it's irresponsible to just brush the topic aside in favor of other arguably more righteous endeavors.
     
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    You know, I really can't wrap my head around this attitude of "oh, I like guns just for shooting... they're harmless etc... as I'm a good person". Not trying to offend anyone here, but that's just crazy to me.... I mean, a gun only has ONE reason to exist. To kill. It isn't designed for ANY other purpose. It is a tool that humans made to kill other humans more efficiently (and animals, I suppose, but the history of the gun proves that it has always been primarily about killing humans - you couldn't use the first guns to hunt!). It has NO other purpose! I can't imagine how psychologically that must affect people. I mean, subconsciously, every time you pick up a gun you are picking up a killing machine and I can't believe this doesn't have some type of psychological side effect. I know the same argument will be made for knives or other things here, but knives are NOT designed only to kill, but can serve a multitude of very useful chores (carving, eating, hell, just cutting stuff is incredibly useful). You want to shoot targets? Take up axe throwing, use a nerf rifle, learn to throw a baseball... You don't need a gun to practice hitting targets! You could take up archery too... Yes bows and arrows are the same as a gun in that they were designed only for one purpose and that is to kill other things, but psychologically it's very different, as it's NOT IMMEDIATE and can't kill massive amounts of people in a few seconds. Guns make killing easy and I find it utter madness to think that having one (or more!) in your house is a "good thing" (tm)...

    PS: This isn't really directed at anyone, so please don't think this as a personal attack to previous people's posts. It's just a general rant on something that I genuinely cannot understand!
     
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    My cousin killed his sister while he was cleaning his gun.
     
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    I have never heard of someone murdering someone else with heart disease.


    I hear of this type of thing all too often unfortunately. :(
     
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    Unfortunately... And unfortunately it is not the only accident that happened. My relative's son also killed his sister when he was playing with his dad's gun. Someone I know killed his son while he was cleaning his gun.
     
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    I'd click the "like" button on these posts but I don't think that adequately conveys how heartbreaking I find these stories... you have my support and eternal sympathy :(
     
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    Thanks so much for your support. It is heartbreaking not only because their loved ones died... but because they killed their loved ones, even till this day, they had never forgiven themselves.
     
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    Honestly if you are living in a region or state/country where the criminal rate is very high and the law is inadequate and the police is helpless things look much different. Although there are people that were never victims even in such situations. Also people that are victims but still are thinking this way. Removing guns means human life costs 0. Someone was killed - well he can not complain. It is not a big problem for the society. 10 years prison. Or less.
    Let someone answer that: you are attacked by few dogs on the street and they want to kill you. You dont have any gun. What you gonna do?
    Criminals entering your home. What you gonna do? Beat them? They are strong, armed with knifes and at least 2.
    "Security guards", actually private criminal army on the road. They stop infront of your car, pull you out and start beating you to death, also your pregnant wife. They are armed with cold and fire weapons (legal or illegal).
    " Guns make killing easy and I find it utter madness to think that having one (or more!) in your house is a "good thing". Definitely it is not good. Being killed or raped is much, much better.
    Such "events" are real and happens everyday. Just dont tell me you will call the police. They will come after 2 hours. The society doesnt care because it is hypocritical.
    In the past all free men had guns. Nowadays guns are restricted (because people became freaks?) only because the authorities want the monopoly for the power. This should be the free world - were a man was sentenced for 2 rape on 12 years old and 14 years old, 2 killings, 98 robbery, etc, kills again and get 8 years but gets out after 6...
    But the highest achievement off the rulers is not the removing guns from people, it is that they made people believe guns are bad thing and they dont need them. Well not all people. Only the plebs. I remember during the socialism guns here was (and still is) a dirty word (sure for some comrades not). Having interest in guns means you are a faschist, hitlerists, etc. What was the surprise after 1989 when it become clear that our country produced weapons in large numbers and exported them for decades?! And that formed a great % in our national income?! So when I hear about restricting of guns I see the same thing it is only a propaganda and a hypocrisy.
     
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    Of all the developed nations, by far the USA has the most "freedom" with regard to gun laws. If your post had any merrit, than the USA should be the safest country in the world because because it easily has the most guns per capita of the developed nations.

    Nocturne earlier posted some crime related statistics where consistantly the USA demonstrates itself to be the least safe country of the developed nations and consistantly the countrie with fewer guns and more restrictive gun laws consistantly demonstrate themselves to be safer with fewer violant crimes?

    All the violent problems that you described could just as easiy manifest in other developed nations, but they simply don't at the same rate.

    If it's not the guns, what exactly is it about the US that makes it such violent dangerous place?
     
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    I dont trust statistics too much. especially from what is here - people are just not calling the police, or ...
    Maybe the reason of the violence in USA is not the most significant criteria? For example in my country before the Red army came and installed the socialism everyone could have a rifle (military) or handgun and that was something usual and people in most villages and small cities never locked their doors and even in cities put the keys under the door mat. Now guns are accessible for some very special people and the rate of crimes is very high - not talking about the statistics which are manipulated but it is visible.
    For such a big country as USA maybe you should compare states inside - but I think the size is important because that makes the criminals more mobile and invisible. Or maybe the reasons are different - a lot of unknown people in many big cities totally indifferent to each other? We could add also Mexico, Latin America - all of them ex colonies? Most of them with strict gun control (no guns). Why do you relay on guns only? Here in smaller cities you can receive much more help, people are known to each other but there is also a bad side.
    My compatriots living in USA are impressed by the order there? And for many of them USA is a calm place where they can live happy. It depends from where you came maybe.
    It is good when people are good. In some developed countries you may never encounter a violence. But that does not change the thing. When I was a child here was a safe place too, well relatively... And now the mafia is ruling everywhere. You have a business they come and say Get out of here - and that is. A real case. And that is not in the statistics. And it happens again and again and people are leaving the country.
    A real case - at late night at a taxi. The bill is 1,70 and the clients requires its change. The taxi driver pulls out a knife and start insulting the client. The client informed the police and they answered: Why do you not respect the night labor of taxi drivers? Blahahaha. Most taxi drivers here are extremely aggressive, some off them are criminals, recently one beat a police officer in the center of the city, love to beat clients. Another case is in similar scenario but the client had a gun and pointed it to the driver and the driver became a lamb "no problems, no problems". I dont say that is the right way but I had many cases when I was happy I can get away from the taxi. If you can relay on the authorities what can you do?
    And right to the question. If we have gun laws like in USA that will mean that citizens will get guns, not that the crimes will get gun - because they already have. Once a woman got a pickpocket in the center of the city, a young girl, and slapped her but she had a protectors, 2 guards, that beat the woman almost to death. People were watching. That happens everyday. People in villages are living in constant terror so they sell their lands and leave. And somebody is buying these useless (for now) lands. Having guns will make that different. You see what is the connection? It is not the logic of what people want but of what is useful for these that dictate the rules. Organizes groups of strong man armed with stick, knives, axes or no weapons could always prevail. They dont need firearms but they need than other dont have firearms. You can compare that to a student who shot his classmates but I thing the victims are not only from such massacres. And they always happen against people who can not protect themselves. Or between criminal bands (as here that happens also). That never happened here in the recent decades - does it make a better place? But compare that with victims killed by knives. When ALL people have guns, not only the victim, but all, chances are not 99% to 1 for bandits. And people start being polite.
    "Robbers generally don't carry guns where I am from." But here they carry knives. But they can just beat you to death. This makes them brave. Once they met a weapon start running as rabbits. This usually does not happen because houses with armed men are outside of their interest. And sometimes happen - they try to kill the victim and get shot or stubbed and then the victim goes to the prison. So it is clear why the law is such. Many people are victims of criminal acts. I doubt that USA has relatively higher score. Again do not rely on statistics because not every case is in them.
    Did I mention the professor who escaped during the Cold war and made career on Wallstreet? His daughter is living in Germany. When he became older he came back to help to his country and start teaching in the American University here. Once he or his daughter was bitten by a dog, she left the country and said she will never came back here. Later the professor was attacked by dogs and killed. They even eat one of his eyes while he was alive. It was a painful death absolutely undeserved. The police made an investigation but people around start hiding the dogs. That is in the capital not somewhere in the nowhere. I got a luck few times, once in the center going to the Science academy and saw 3 big dogs watching me. It was too late to run so I decide I will just pass... One of them jumped on my back but I covered myself with a bag and jumped towards the dog. It stepped back a bit and prepared to jump again, also did the others. I would be dead minute later but from somewhere appeared a grandma (funny but) who knew them and they knew her - there are such idiots feeding aggressive street dogs - and start crying so they left me. That was so close. Sprey doesnt help. And that is a big problem here. Nothing changed for decades. I prefer to walk free and calm and that can not happen so I dont go where I can get with my car or close to the city transport. The same with the parks but there are also criminals not only dogs.
     
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    Format your post with proper paragraphs, then I'll read it. I doubt I'm not the only one who refuses to read walls of text.
     
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    Then you've never experienced my mother's cooking.
     
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    Where does this sh!t happen?

    Oh America...

    I'd look at moving to another country. No wonder everyone is on edge.

    Look at the poor Cops over there. They shoot everything they see because they KNOW that everyone is armed to the hilt.

    If they knew that maybe one in ten thousand were carrying a firearm, there would be no deaths on that front any more either.

    People would know that if you are the 911 caller, that you wouldn't be executed by the police for it.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-17/australian-woman-shot-dead-by-police-in-minneapolis/8714330

    Police are on edge, and innocent people are are being killed for it. One hundred percent due to the gun rights you hold so dear.
     
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    If far fewer people had guns, then maybe others wouldn't feel so compelled to pull the trigger. This includes your police forces.

    Shooting at a pack of dogs sounds like a recipe for disaster. Fortunately there are options that do not require pulling a gun. Also, for the past lifetime I've never met a pack of dogs with a plan to assassinate me.

    I'm going to make a comment about their incorrect plural of the word "knife". Then I'll let them rob the place, I have no wish to put my family or myself in danger for the sake of a bit of money or a few belongings. I certainly don't want to murder anyone for it.

    Generally, though, where I live burglars tend to go to houses where they know nobody is home, because they themselves hate an up and close confrontation with the owners.

    Then I wake up from my Death Wish nightmare and promise myself I watch something more friendly before I go to bed next time. Seriously, dude.

    A free world is one where you don't have to carry around a gun just because your continuous self-flagellation with hyper violent fantasies makes you too afraid to walk the street without one.
     
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    I apologize. I wasn't attempting to brush it aside, I agree we need to be stricter here. It's hard to rank any sort of loss of life. While I listed some of the major causes of death, that doesn't make any other forms of death irrelevant to me, I assure you.

    I can see where it is hard to understand. I feel the same way about things that other people like or do. I understand what guns were intended for, but that doesn't mean I have to use it for that intended purpose. I simply like shooting guns, and there is nothing more to it. My daughter is about the same way, but she's into archery. They have competitions, and I love watching her get better and better, it's truly a good time. As you said, both weapons can kill, but we just don't have the desire to use them in such ways ourselves. There are over 300 million guns in the US, and about 320 million people. The math behind gun violence in relation to those numbers, shows that I'm not just an exception to the rule either, otherwise the gun violence rate would be astronomical. I also don't have the mindset that guns are harmless. They are extremely dangerous, especially if proper care isn't taken, and that lack of proper care contributes to many accidental deaths.

    By the way Nocturne, I read your edit, and I don't take offense to what you said, I respect your view entirely. You seem to be a smart and logical person, I just can't entirely see eye to eye, because I don't look nearly as far into it as you do. The psychological aspects you mentioned, just are not there for me. When I pick up a gun, I just don't feel like a killing machine. That thought has simply never even crossed my mind to be all honest.

    Me either, but I know where you're trying to go with that. If we are simply talking murder rates by guns, the US doesn't even make the top 25 last time I looked, we might be 30th or so. With a little research, you'll find that homicides commited with guns, is a far greater problem in many other countries. El Salvador, Venezuela, Guatemala, Colombia, and Honduras for example, all have rates 4-5 times higher than the US. So "Only in Murica", is not entirely factual. However, of all the murders that took place in the US, 60% or more of them were done with guns. That is indeed a high percentage, which is exactly why I said we need to be stricter. We need something, I won't disagree with any of you there. What that should entail, I don't actually know, and I can't presume to.

    I'm sorry for your family's loss, I'm hate to hear these sort of things.

    Haha, for such a topic, this was a gem to read :)
     
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    Not sure where you are getting your data from @ThinPixels

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    The U.S. seem to be winning to me.
     
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    Not a single country I listed is on that graph, and like I've been trying to get across, we only focus on what we choose to. You've provided that graph above, I am positive you are more than capable of finding that out that the murder rate is much higher in many more countries.

    I apologize if I've got on anyone's nerves, it's truly not intended. I'll leave the discussion as I've provided my share of input. Thank you all!
     
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  36. Nocturne

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    The thing is you can't compare apples and oranges. The reason I have chosen Europe and Australia to illustrate my points is that they are CULTURALLY and SOCIALLY and ECONOMICALLY similar. And I repeat, overall homicides and personal security isn't the issue at hand here. The issue at hand is that the US has a disproportionately high number of deaths caused by firearms than any other developed country of equivalent social and economic power. I've already stated that the US crime rate has been steadily going down and that it's pretty much the same as europe and australia... But the number of suicides, accidental deaths and murders attributed to firearms is much much higher. I won't provide links here, but if you check back on all my posts you can see that I've repeatedly proven this point. It's the same old elephant in the same old room.

    The US has more guns, and more people die from gun related incidents than anywhere else of equivalent standing, therefor if you remove the guns you reduce the number of people that die from them. This is SO obvious, but everyone is so obsessed with "their right to bear arms" that they forget the right of everyone to live and would prefer to blame just about anything else on the problem. In the US it seems that an individual's "rights" are far more important than the wellbeing of the society as a whole, even though it would save literally hundreds of thousands of people with virtually zero negative consequences (this has been proven by what happened in the UK and Australia in the 90's).

    Maybe this article from the American Journal Of Medicine would help you to understand the insanity that is the US attitude to guns: http://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(15)01030-X/fulltext

     
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    I wrote a long and messy post comparing gun laws in the UK and USA but I did you all a favour and deleted it.

    I think the bottom line of my drivelling is "I think the US should try banning gun ownership completely, or something along those lines (allow guns but only sell rubber bullets??) and see how it goes. If people start getting murdered in their homes because criminals don't fear getting shot back at any more then change it back". I really doubt that's going to happen though.

    I sorta feel bad for all the many US citizens who own guns and have never hurt anybody in their lives and if somebody said to me "we're banning video games so delete steam and send in all your consoles" that would piss me off. The DIFFERENCE is that I'm not able to kill people in real life with video games, though.

    [EDIT] Also just an event that happened fairly recently: My gf's dad is a Vietnam Veteran and has been a gun owner for most of his life. They got robbed 1-2 months ago along with many other houses in the area. Like burglars in other countries, the criminals broke in hen nobody was home so the fact that her dad owned guns was a moot point. (Of course they make him feel safer because he can protect his family with them but still...)
     
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  38. Ghost in the IDE

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    Bummer, you should go and buy a gun then. :confused:
     
  39. signal

    signal Member

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    I wonder what spurred this discussion. Was it the current string of fabricated news stories?

    Remember folks, the world is a stage.

    "World events do not occur by accident. They are made to happen, whether it is to do with national issues or commerce; and most of them are staged and managed by those who hold the purse strings." Denis Healey, former Defence Secretary

    Self-proclaimed smarty pants and/or ghosts need not reply.
     
  40. RichHopelessComposer

    RichHopelessComposer Member

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    Get out of here, Russian spy. We all see your posts for the elaborate false flag operation they are!
     
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  41. Rob

    Rob Member

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    Can you send me one from the Aussie stockpile?
     
  42. Ghost in the IDE

    Ghost in the IDE Member

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    No stockpile here. They were all destroyed in the gun amnesty in 1997 - 98.
     
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  43. Smarty

    Smarty Member GMC Elder

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    Ha, you wish.

    "Incompetence is a better explanation than conspiracy in most human activity." -- Peter Bergen, journalist, professor, documentary film maker, and national security analyst for CNN.
     
  44. Thunder Lion

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    Your guns are belong to me.
     
  45. Samuel Venable

    Samuel Venable Time Killer

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    As long as there are people among us in this world that think shooting each other is perfectly acceptable, (aside from the sake of protection in law enforcement), people will do what they want. I don't exactly know where I stand on this issue, it isn't something I like to fill my mind with, and plenty of people are taking the burden of dwelling on how to resolve it for me, so I see no compelling reason for me to really get heated on such a subject matter. Call me selfish, but the reality is I get chronically depressed and anxious, and have had panic attacks quite a bit within the past 2 years. I suffer enough. I don't think I would have much to contribute anyway, being the one tiny perspective that I could potentially be out of a sea of people.
     
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  46. Falconsoft-Industries

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    Mafia = organised crime
    Get rid of the mafia = 50% less gun violence at the minimum
     
  47. Ghost in the IDE

    Ghost in the IDE Member

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    Love Falcon's random posts. They are what keep me coming back to the GMC. :D
     
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  48. Falconsoft-Industries

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    So we’re both trolls on the gmc in a way?, ‘ even though I have kissed game maker studio’s sorry ass good bye, I will respect the product though by not advertising other products in the gmc ever again, except through conversations in personal messages. ‘
     
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  49. Ghost in the IDE

    Ghost in the IDE Member

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    Ha! Speak for yourself. :p
     
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  50. Dog Slobber

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    You can't even post in a gun control without somehow mentioning you won't use Gamemaker anymore or you won't mention any other products.
     
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