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Discussion Donald Trump (lol)

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Heat4Life

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Do you love Trump or Do you hate Trump? and Why? #donaldTrump4Life
 
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NPT

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Is this gonna be one of those threads where a bunch of people who are:
  • living in ther parent's basement,
  • living from paycheck to paycheck,
  • haven't accomplished anything
  • etc
go on about how stupid a man is who has:
  • built skyscrapers, hotels, casinos, golf courses,
  • made billions.
 
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NPT

Guest
With only a "small loan" of "just over a million dollars" from his father, too!
And you don't think turning million into billions is an accomplishment. As a developer Trump's father paled in comparison.

If you think every rich person is intelligent, npt, you're very naive. :p
This topic is about Trump, I said nothing about thinking every rich person is intelligent.
 
I'm not too interested in Trump, but I've read a few articles explaining how yes, a moron loudmouthed πŸ’©πŸ’©πŸ’©πŸ’©πŸ’©πŸ’©πŸ’© with a milion dollars could have turned it into a billion dollars with some dumb luck and a πŸ’©πŸ’©πŸ’©πŸ’©ty bullying personality in the time and place he grew up. Of course, I can't say how accurate they are without doing more research on a man I don't much like or care about, so I can only go off my gut and what I have read.

To me, yeah. He seems like a scummy πŸ’©πŸ’©πŸ’©πŸ’©πŸ’©πŸ’©πŸ’© with a loud voice who's good at getting other stupid people to do what he wants. A fantastic used car salesman and slumlord who was given a large headstart in life, was in the right place at the right time, and had an ego big enough to chase what he wanted like a dog. Not any proof of intelligence to me. Plenty of rich morons out there who fell into their fortunes through nepotism or luck, along with plenty of rich people who earned their money with their brains. I think it's usually pretty easy to sort them out.

Think what you want about Trump, though. Doesn't make much difference to me either way. Like I said, it's not like I've followed him very closely.

Do you consider Trump to be more intelligent than you, npt? If not, are you a billionaire? If not, why do you think that is?
 
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NPT

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Do you consider Trump to be more intelligent than you, npt? If not, are you a billionaire? If not, why do you think that is?
I think Donald Trump (and I'm not just saying this to sidestep your little trap) is a helluva a lot more intelligent than I.

Look the guy is a boorish πŸ’©πŸ’©πŸ’©πŸ’©πŸ’© (can I say that here) and yes, he's scary. But he is no dummy.

He won the Republican Nomination with:
  • Virtually every party insider against him
  • All the media against him
  • More negative press than any candidate has ever had
  • Virtually everybody outside of the US against him
  • Continually lambasted on the Internet and every social media outlet.

And he beat it all.

Given the political climate and polarization of the Dems vs GOP, and the internal polarization with the Democratic party, I would not be surprised if he took it all.

And I also think it would not be the disaster people think it could be. The USA has too many checks and balances for a single "incompetant" or "dictator" like individual to ruin things. There are too many competant people who simply won't let that happen and the POTUS doesn't have the sweeping power to do what he wants.

I'm just as concerned about the extreme left as Trump and his minions.
 

Ninety

Member
Plenty of people have gamed the popular media for attention by saying outrageous things. Considering his financial head start in life, and the ability to afford a cabal of media advisors, it doesn't seem at all exceptional that Trump has managed this. Frankly the most surprising thing to me is how willing he is to stake his reputation on an increasingly outrageous series of controversies.
 
I think Donald Trump (and I'm not just saying this to sidestep your little trap) is a helluva a lot more intelligent than I.

Look the guy is a boorish ***** (can I say that here) and yes, he's scary. But he is no dummy.

He won the Republican Nomination with:
  • Virtually every party insider against him
  • All the media against him
  • More negative press than any candidate has ever had
  • Virtually everybody outside of the US against him
  • Continually lambasted on the Internet and every social media outlet.

And he beat it all.
My question wasn't a "little trap" (lol). I was genuinely curious. For what it's worth, I think you're wrong, though. :'D

About him "beating it all": it's proof of the stupidity, ignorance, or racism of the average person, and it's proof of what a πŸ’©πŸ’©πŸ’©πŸ’©-show circus the media is, not proof of any intelligence on trump's part. Racist, angry morons want a loud, angry, racist moron for a leader. And they found him. Democracy working in the worst way possible. If I'm not mistaken, you're not an American, correct? If you had your feet "on the ground" here, and actually had some conversations with the averge Trump supporter, I think you'd have a better idea of how a complete idiot becoming the president of the United States is more than possible.

When you watch a white racist jokingly tell his Hispanic Trump supporting friend "you should vote Hillary, because Trump is going to deport you," only to have the Hispanic guy dead-seriously say "no, Trump only hatea n*****s and Mexicans, so I don't care, " you have a clearer view of the picture.

Also, while I don't find Trump scary at all, I do find his rhetoric and the hate he inspires in his idiotic followers very worrying. :p
 
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Heat4Life

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Is this gonna be one of those threads where a bunch of people who are:
  • living in ther parent's basement,
  • living from paycheck to paycheck,
  • haven't accomplished anything
  • etc
go on about how stupid a man is who has:
  • built skyscrapers, hotels, casinos, golf courses,
  • made billions.
Yeah, pretty much lol
 
I respect the mods trying to keep things civil here by discreetly editing comments, but I'm curious about what was originally said above, and think it's good for posters to have to live with their original posts...especially when they'll probably help illustrate my point, haha.
 
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Lukasmah

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Frankly the most surprising thing to me is how willing he is to stake his reputation on an increasingly outrageous series of controversies.
"There is no such thing as bad publicity except your own obituary."
-Brendan Behan
 
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Nocturne

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Admin
I respect the mods trying to keep things civil here by discreetly editing comments, but I'm curious about what was originally said above, and think it's good for posters to have to live with their original posts...especially when they'll probably help illustrate my point, haha.
The post wasn't edited in any way... it was simply a double post being merged into one. :)
 

chance

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Moderator
Trump is a con man who lacks personal integrity. Yes, he's gotten wealthy. But mostly by financial manipulation and unscrupulous business practices. His reputation for paying bills late or not at all, is well known. He often forces small business owners into lawsuits they can't afford. He brags he's the "king of debt", because he borrows money he can't repay, then forces his creditors to accept "re-negotiated" terms -- like 80 cents on the dollar.

At one point, Trump even suggested that the US government could re-negotiate the debt on its treasury bonds! Fortunately, nobody took him seriously, because that would throw the world into global economic chaos.

Trump has no innovation or creativity, like true business leaders Page, Kamen, Bezos, Gates, Jobs, Musk, etc. These leaders are also great philanthropists -- which Trump is not. Trump even lied about donating money to veteran groups.

That aside, the scariest problem with Trump is his childish ego. He cannot accept criticism. He cannot admit mistakes. He won't listen to his own advisors. His personal approach to disagreement is to insult his opponent, instead of providing a better argument.

His political ideas aren't practical solutions -- they just tap into people's fear. He has no real solutions, other than chest thumping and tough talk. He's even advocates war crimes in order to defeat terrorism.
 
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Law

Guest
It takes a certain kind of brain to succeed in the world of business, it does not, however, require a developed ethical compass, which is something I generally look for in my leaders.

E: And here comes Chance saying it far better than I ever could. : P
 
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Misty

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Trump is a bad businessman and Hillary is a mass murderer. End of discussion.

Vote for Jill Stein.
 
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roytheshort

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Is this gonna be one of those threads where a bunch of people who are:
  • living in ther parent's basement,
  • living from paycheck to paycheck,
  • haven't accomplished anything
  • etc
go on about how stupid a man is who has:
  • built skyscrapers, hotels, casinos, golf courses,
  • made billions.
Should we have a safe space where those people aren't allowed to talk?
 
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seanm

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At least trump hasn't accepted millions in blood money from middle eastern kings, and committed treason from his washroom. Β―\_(ツ)_/Β―
 
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Is this gonna be one of those threads where a bunch of people who are:
  • living in ther parent's basement,
  • living from paycheck to paycheck,
  • haven't accomplished anything
  • etc
go on about how stupid a man is who has:
  • built skyscrapers, hotels, casinos, golf courses,
  • made billions.
Please tell me you are joking.

Also, Trump. I'm not going to comment much on that guy, chance said pretty much everything. He is bad news. He should not be in power. And neither should Hillary.
 

Gamer (ex-Cantavanda)

γ€œFlower Princeγ€œ
I don't care about politics, I just hope him as president won't cost the lives of many innocent people. Hillary might be a huge idiot, even dumber then Donald, but at least she SEEMS harmless... She seems more like an empty-shell human that just tries to be popular and adapts to the opinions of others, to get loved more... Seems safer then a greedy war-thirsty manipulator.
 
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NPT

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Please tell me you are joking.

Also, Trump. I'm not going to comment much on that guy, chance said pretty much everything. He is bad news. He should not be in power. And neither should Hillary.
Yes chance did, and the one thing he didn't say was that he was an idiot [moron, stupid, dummy whatever].

Which he [Trump] is not.

I'm not saying he's a nice man, nor am I saying he should lead the US, but sorry anybody who says he's an idiot is likely a bigger idiot than they claim him to be.

So no, I'm not joking.

And BTW chance listing Steve Jobs as a true business leader in his discussion about integrity demonstrates his bias. Jobs lack of integrity, especially how he treated employees, friends and family is sickening.
 

chance

predictably random
Forum Staff
Moderator
And BTW chance listing Steve Jobs as a true business leader in his discussion about integrity demonstrates his bias. Jobs lack of integrity, especially how he treated employees, friends and family is sickening.
Please re-read my comments. The paragraphs address separate issues.

- first paragraph is about lack of integrity and unscrupulous practices.
- second paragraph is about global economics.
- third paragraph is about innovation and creativity (That's where I mentioned Jobs and other businessmen).

I did not cite Jobs as an example of integrity.
But either way, pointing out other people's faults has no bearing on Trump's lack of integrity, problem-solving skills, or leadership ability.
 
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NPT

Guest
Please re-read my comments. The paragraphs address separate issues.

- first paragraph is about lack of integrity and unscrupulous practices.
- second paragraph is about global economics.
- third paragraph is about innovation and creativity (That's where I mentioned Jobs and other businessmen).

I did not cite Jobs as an example of integrity.
But either way, pointing out other people's faults has no bearing on Trump's lack of integrity, problem-solving skills, or leadership ability.
Perhaps you should re-read my post. I didn't point out other's faults as if it had any kind of bearing on Trump's attributes. I pointed it out to demonstrate your bias. And no, your third paragraph is not just about innovation and creativity. Your statement about Trump lying very much ties it to integrity. It also makes claims about philanthropy, which Jobs was also heavily criticized about.

As much as you and many others want to critisize Trump for his business practises, almost all individuals who create such enormous wealth do so by spilling an awful lot of blood. And I would argue that everyone on your list, and the majority of the Forbes list has a similar laundry list of negative traits. The difference, they're held to a different level of scrutiny and standards.
 
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Alessio

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I'm not American and i live in a country where politics work kinda differently (kinda a little lot bad) from USA politicians are... well, not that good. But i'm not here to describe my country, which would require a lenghty post.

I'm not an extreme left wing liberal and i have many beliefs that go on the conservative side. I'm all for a change as long as it's needed and I believe in strict rules and in punishment that vary from paying a fine if you're a kind of jerk to total life sentence if you kill one or more people only because you could (there are accidental or self-defense kills) but these have to be estabilished with actual law words in political contexts. And while i was a little more liberal time ago i'm turning even more conservative after the crap i'm just seeing right now from the people who identify themselves as... "liberal" just for the excuse of doing whatever they want in expense of others. Especially the "liberal" arrogance i've seen from people who actually understand little to nothing about politics and would just throw the idea of national safety in a toilet in name of blind morality made me turn more to the right. But can't also identify with some completely insensitive aspects of the right wing. Therefore i'm kinda in the center, among two opposite side. Kinda like i was in the center of a room.

Well, i just don't like Trump, at all. He looks like a madman. Seriously, i'm totally against firearms possession of any kind if there is no reason at all (for example, legal hunters or, especially, police should be entitled at owning specific firearms but still with frequent security checks) yet Trump promises everyone will be able to bring firearms even in public spaces such as malls and churches. Not sure if he was trolling but the weapon lobbies support him. I'm sorry to say that, with all the bad things that happened in Europe, with all these "wannable ISIS warrior" attacks plus the trouble some migrants caused in shetlers, i started to be kinda diffident towards foreigners, especially the middle east ones (Italy has serious problems with certain nationalities and it's clear that they cause a lot of trouble also but that's because Italy can't (or don't want to) just use the force agains foreigners that are caught doing illegal activities so they just take advantage of it, nay, they come in Italy especially for that purpose and i'm not being racist). Yet i believe that Trump goes just too far. I just can't find any good reason to have him as president.
 
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ConsolCWBY

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And I also think it would not be the disaster people think it could be. The USA has too many checks and balances for a single "incompetant" or "dictator" like individual to ruin things. There are too many competent people who simply won't let that happen and the POTUS doesn't have the sweeping power to do what he wants.
The problem is - this is not entirely true. Through civil emergency or martial law, all of these checks and balances are nullified. If you were to read up on the Civil War, you would find Lincoln was able to imprison political opponents as well as the southern opponents. The real problem isn't "who gets in", since Goldman-Sachs owns both of them. Also, there are presidential orders which will casacade if an 'emergency' or martail law is declared. Such as Obama's 13603, and Bush's 1991 HJ Res 104, which could, under the right circumstances, destroy any legitimate civil rights protections and potentially create a police state. Things are not what they seem.
 

chance

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I pointed it out to demonstrate your bias.
I suppose you're right -- I am biased. :p I'm biased against Trump because I can't find a single redeeming quality in him. He's egotistical, reckless, dishonest, and lacks the ability to focus on one topic longer than the length of one sentence.

He has no economic policy, other than deporting illegals and starting trade wars. And his strategy for defeating terrorism includes war crimes -- such as killing terrorist's family members. He even threatens to default on mutual defense obligations the US made to NATO partners.

Many of his current policies go against personal beliefs he held as recently as a few years ago.
- He was recently pro-choice, but now says that women should be punished for having abortions, if it becomes illegal (which he claims to want).
- He supported the Iraq invasion, but now lies that he was always against it.
- He supported gun control, but now falsely claims Hillary wants to "take away our guns".

Even the policies that he started the campaigned with, have changed. The "wall", the Muslim "ban", using US troops against ISIS, etc. All changed.

Granted, it's OK to change viewpoints over time as events unfold. But Trump's shifting views are without any reason or explanation. He even lies that he's changed them -- even though he's on record.

So, either he is personally dishonest... or he has the attention span of a goldfish. Maybe both.
 
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seanm

Guest
Trumps strategy has been pretty simple.
He hasn't been trying to become president from the start, he's been trying to beat out his most dangerous opponents, so that he can continue on in the race.
He's said things that have upset the liberal media so he can get free media coverage. Billions in free media coverage.

I suppose the question is, does trump need much of anything in order to be a successful president? If he gets stonewalled out of all his policies and just exposes the hilarious amount of corruption and bullπŸ’©πŸ’©πŸ’©πŸ’© involved in politics, would that be such a bad thing?

I'm glad I don't live in the states because I probably just wouldn't vote.
 
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NPT

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Yes, he
I suppose you're right -- I am biased. :p I'm biased against Trump because I can't find a single redeeming quality in him. He's egotistical, reckless, dishonest, and lacks the ability to focus on one topic longer than the length of one sentence.

He has no economic policy, other than deporting illegals and starting trade wars. And his strategy for defeating terrorism includes war crimes -- such as killing terrorist's family members. He even threatens to default on mutual defense obligations the US made to NATO partners.

Many of his current policies go against personal beliefs he held as recently as a few years ago.
- He was recently pro-choice, but now says that women should be punished for having abortions, if it becomes illegal (which he claims to want).
- He supported the Iraq invasion, but now lies that he was always against it.
- He supported gun control, but now falsely claims Hillary wants to "take away our guns".

Even the policies that he started the campaigned with, have changed. The "wall", the Muslim "ban", using US troops against ISIS, etc. All changed.

Granted, it's OK to change viewpoints over time as events unfold. But Trump's shifting views are without any reason or explanation. He even lies that he's changed them -- even though he's on record.

So, either he is personally dishonest... or he has the attention span of a goldfish. Maybe both.
I'm guessing a lot of this has some basis in truth, but more complex and without context loses a lot of meaning.

But it sounds like he is an apt representative for the values of tens of millions of people of the USA.
 
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roytheshort

Guest
On an unrelated note, Donald Trump does not want the media saying bad things about him. As demonstrated here, here, here and here. These show The Donald's views on libel laws and the freedom of the press quite clearly.

...Absolutely nothing negative, nor anything that could ever be remotely interpreted as negative.
I mean, absolutely. Of course Trump should be able to sue people for disagreeing with him! After all, some of those want to censor him! So it's all absolutely ok.

"One of the things I'm going to do if I win... I'm going to open up our libel laws so when they write purposely negative and horrible and false articles, we can sue them and win lots of money,"
I mean, sure, as long as the articles are wrong and don't contradict themselves (which Trump has never done) and never tell things which could be incorrect (which Trump has never done) and we have a nice safe space for him. As long as he has the values of tens of millions of people behind him, we can feel comfortable in the fact free speech will always be protected, after all, he's a smart guy.
 

chance

predictably random
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Moderator
This. This is the scariest thing about Trump. :(
I agree. Especially because of the US global influence. Similar xenophobic demagogues are popular in Europe too -- but they have less potential for harm. Britain has Nigel Farage. And there's Le Pen in France, Geert Wilders in Netherlands and Frauke Petry in Germany. Most of them aren't as much a buffoon as Trump, but they share similar scare mongering about immigration. (OK, Wilders is a buffoon.)

And let's face it -- immigration fears are a driving force in politics these days. It's not just terror attacks from radical Islam, it's the fear of losing national identity to immigrants who can't (or won't) assimilate.

Mainstream politicians should take heed of these fears and address them -- better than they're currently doing. Not just tell people to be accepting and not to worry. When citizens feel their fears aren't being addressed, they turn to people like Trump and Wilders.
 
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Alessio

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Here's a pretty good reason; It's a right and I feel like having one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
LoL Japan's only second to Hong Kong in terms of lowest amount of firearm death rate (counting suicides). My country Italy doesn't even look very bad (could be better), although it's bad for other many things.
USA is just at a very low position (even only by counting only homicides). Well some other coutries do much worse but that's because of extreme corruption in these countries and not because of an illogical sense of entitlement some people have.
And, apparently, people prefer this sense of entitlement rather than a much safer enviromnent but still don't realize that this sense of entitlement brings to so many mass shootings, whereas in countries like Japan are almost virtually non-existent. Something must not be right, then. Seriously, there is a reason Japan is an extremely safe country.
Seriously, I'm totally against free speech of any kind if there is no reason at all.
Wow, cheap comparison here. Free speech doesn't actually wound people... well, sometimes it does but these are borderline cases by uncivil jerks. Generally, words don't kill people like bullets... oh why should i explain this, it's so obvious!
 
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Matthew

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Well, yes, a country with more firearms is going to generally have more firearm-related deaths. And a country with pools is more likely to have pool-related deaths. You're focusing on guns because guns bad, murder tool, scary! We have many times as many deaths caused by cars, purely in the pursuit of entertainment or monetary gain, yet you prefer to focus on guns because you're misinformed or running off an agenda.

Unfortunately for you, or any would-be dictators, people here do have a sense of entitlement towards their rights. We guard them very jealously. Funny how that works.

Seriously, there is a reason Japan is an extremely safe country.
There is, but unfortunately we'll never reach their state of homogeneity.
 
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Andy

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I don’t feel qualified to responsibly discuss these topics, so I’ve decided to remove my commentary.
 
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ConsolCWBY

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I personally think most European views of the US are more than a bit skewed by the info they get in school and the news. The problems facing the country are worse than what most people here even imagine. Most people in my neighborhood have firearms of one sort or another and there have been 0 problems here. The philosophy here is a right which is given - not by government or any state - but by the creator, because you exist. This philosophy was to ensure European central banks could never usurp control of either the central government or any state government without being confronted by a well armed populace. The problems with guns has always been overstated by the mass media through the banksters. What does this have to do with Trump? Simple: He owes them. He has as much ties to GS as Mz. Clinton. I am afraid to say too many things are too interconected between these two to represent any positive change towards the restoration of this Republic. Our traditions and culture has been under severe attack for far too long and now the populace is ripe to be taken advantage of. So, the left and right paradigm most in the west is used to has been replaced by neo-cons and neo-libs. The true racists, I am afraid, are the powers that wish to pit culture against culture in order to bring an end to democratic reforms, which is: The Banks. Historically, this is their M.O. and I do not see anyone running which will change this. (This goes for the U.K. and Europe as well.)
 
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Heat4Life

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Hey! A thread about Donald Trump! Le'me make a joke.....
Hillary == Hilarious

Funniest joke ever, everybody agreed?! no? no? no uh? okay... :'(
 
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