I don't think anyone here minds this kind of response. It's an alright response actually.So when you read a post from me saying "What did the manual say?" It can be taken two ways.
Friendly - "Hey my best friend of twenty years, pick up the manual and find out yourself, you goose".
Arrogant - "You are not worthy of my answer. Now get lost and come back when you educate yourself".
(I don't know what topic you are talking about so I'll go off what was said here)@GMWolf, it was more the OP's response and tone thereafter (and ever since) which made me figure they interpreted it the wrong way. It did actually earn them a permanent residency on the 'blocked' list.
As many have said here. It's a two way street.
Let's go, Maximus. I can see we're not welcome here any longer....
The elitist crowd can ride their high horses all they want, but I for one can see their ugly character loud and clear.
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Let's go, Maximus. I can see we're not welcome here any longer.
I am going to risk crossing the line I so carefully ride here...I didn't expect you to go deeper than you were pointed to your own intellect, but what you said is all addressed, about just needing to learn decency, it is all within the text that isn't scripted at all.
That was the craziest jump to conclusions I have ever seen in my life. Also, extremely tangential.Dude, it is maths, with, I know you guys are just messing with more, or misery loves company, and men try to use me as a scapegoat saying I'm just controlling and unemotional, knowing that isn't what women want. Well, that's a lot of pressure on women. You are all at your level and I'm at mine, with my real concerns not being addressed. Look at the formulas, if you even know maths.
I think it got declared DOA on page two somewhere.Did posts get removed or something I feel like I missed a big chunk of this topic...
Is this even going anywhere anymore?
Yeah that thread seems to show with respectful responses the asker is more likely to listen to the responders advice. The asker now understands that they should take baby steps and go over
Exactly, there is a time and a place for harshness. If the asker instead was to decide to disregard everything said, then a harsh and more blunt response would be warranted.With the respectful responses from the OP, we are more likely to offer respectful help. Still a two way street.
Such response is the norm though, not the exception - while it feels like that specific asker is the diamond in the roughest rough lately. If everyone was this accepting of their shortcomings this thread wouldn't really exist. Sometimes it seems people would rather perish to praise than be saved by criticism.Yeah that thread seems to show with respectful responses the asker is more likely to listen to the responders advice. The asker now understands that they should take baby steps and go over
the manual more and follow some tutorials.
And everyone lives happily ever after.
I agree, but I don't think anyone in this thread made the claim that most responders aren't respectful. In a few posts I explicitly stated that most are really helpful.Such response is the norm though, not the exception
I agree, but I don't think anyone in this thread made the claim that most responders aren't respectful. In a few posts I explicitly stated that most are really helpful.
Me and Nocturne also mentioned a couple times that while we do agree with the sentiments in this thread we don't think this is a massive issue as the VAST majority of responders do a great job.
Heck even from my own personal experience posting in the programming thread, I don't recall ever being belittled or disrespected. I seen worse on the old GMC forum.
i feel as though members of the community are developing some real nasty attitudes towards others, and it's disheartening to see. this is more so in regards to the 'please help' threads. new gamemaker users are barely given a palpable response unless it's laced with bigotry, elitism, needless criticism, or just some other form of response that serves as anything but an answer to their questions
Reported. I'm winning.@everyone: The report button isn't to put anyone on the spot and anyone in their place. It could be, but it is mostly there to be a method that is used in a controlling way. We all don't see who is put on the spot and some people have unconvential methods -those methods are closing. It's not like this is a competition button.
well you definetly arent from this communitie, afaik no1 is trashing kids here, atleast i havent seen such a thing happening, the issue here is elitism, where "veterans" act high and mighty with the noobs telling them to read the manual and such.Haven't read all the posts, but I guess since it's not closed yet and I happened to be doing a check on the GMC (weird timing right), I will post my thoughts on the issue. I'm not really a member of this community, so don't take me as one (I'm an outsider)
I want to agree with @saffeine about younger people on the platform, and I think it's very disrespectful to treat younger people like trash because they happen to be ignorant, foolish and sometimes even arrogant. If you respectfully call out their behaviour I can respect that, but I hope you don't just start trashing them like you're a 5 yr old having a fit.
Sure if they are arrogant towards you, you can be rude, but it's better off if you be more mature and just leave the post, reporting them to a moderator if you feel necessary. Of course, not everyone has this mindset, and that's understandable.
I want to also talk about safe spaces, some people have mentioned them, and I think that if you don't have a safe space you will alienate all the young people who are using YYG Forums, I think this could be a slippery slope though, because if you cater too much to them the veterans will probably get frustrated with all the "noobiness" ..
Not saying I have a solution, but I hope the veterans can at least be more tolerant and recognize that this software is not marketed for the elite, in fact, the opposite is true. I also hope moderators keep reminding veterans to be kind, in a respectful manner, lest they should get out of hand and start outright trashing people. (people that are too logical tend to lack in the "ethics" department, so sometimes you gotta remind them that this forum is meant to be supportive towards creators and is not a "IM BETTER THAN U" / "GIT GUD SCRUB" space)
I'm glad that @Nocturne understands that veterans are also part of the community, and I also want to say that while I respect you veterans, you should also be respectful towards those that are new and inexperienced, and support them - otherwise it's better off if you just don't reply, you will only do harm that way. (and yes, people will be upset if you start treating them like that)
While I am not part of this community, I wish that everyone can learn to cooperate, and be kind towards each other, understanding each other's differences. If you are a rude person I hope that you will someday learn better and supportive ways, but I understand that some people have gone into the darker side of life.
I hope people reading this post will have a little bit of insight and something to think about, and be more inspired to be positive towards others, and I also hope some people who are more rough on the edges will at least consider replying less to posts that are too "fragile" and they feel the need to call out for being made by a "rookie".
~~ PEACE
As I have said, report if you feel necessary. If you don't think there's any sense in reporting something then simply don't.also its funny, you say dont be rude but still report them? what for? revenge? arrogance and ignorance arent somthing you punish people for. nor is there any sense in reporting that...
If you think it's ok to be rude, then people need a safe space from you. No sane person wants someone constantly being rude to them for no reason, and if you are being rude without a valid reason then you should be reported, so a moderator can respectfully tell you to be more constructive, and if you repeat the offense, you should get a warning/ban for harassment.and what do u mean about safe spaces? safe spaces for what? criminals need a safe space, perverts, and such degenerates
yes it does harm if you are being rude and cause an argument rather than trying to help someone solve a problem, that's doing harm to the person who is trying to accomplish something. If you're trying to prevent someone rather than help, that's harmful by default, like trying to push someone off the road so they fall into a river.i think most people here talk for the sake of it. for my 5-7 years here i havent seen actual trolls or spammers or whatever, just noobs, elitists, pro wanabes and such not harmful characters.
there is no real problem for any insight to come.
There are no mad dogs, you're right, but there most certainly are certain characters that have, as Nocturne has said, caused new members to altogether leave the community because of rude and unhelpful members, which is the opposite of what the moderators want this forum to be.if your sitting on a rock, and there is a tree infront of you that your not sure how to climb to the top. you wont get any insight about it.
but if a pack of mad dogs are on your tail, youll not just get an insight, you will climb the tree before you analyze this insight.
there are no mad dogs here, only the rock the tree and you and your illusions.
I would like to modify this metaphor slightly and suggest it's more like pushing a bus full of people into the river, rather than a single car, since it's not just one person that is necessarily affected, but the entire forum potentially... other people see these posts and could either be a) put off from participating, or b) left to think that this kind of behavour is okay and so do the same, thus propagating and expanding the belief that it's okay to be rude.yes it does harm if you are being rude and cause an argument rather than trying to help someone solve a problem, that's doing harm to the person who is trying to accomplish something. If you're trying to prevent someone rather than help, that's harmful by default, like trying to push someone off the road so they fall into a river.
Honest question and not being disrespectful here. Do you personally feel like you are a noob at 1540 posts?the issue here is elitism, where "veterans" act high and mighty with the noobs telling them to read the manual and such.
Tbh I find the gamemaker community not half as bad as the other game engines communitiesYeah, I've noticed this, and I generally try my best to overlook when things happen, and it's happened to me in the past. Admittedly I asked for help on a subject that was pretty easy, and I was annoyed with myself for not realizing my mistake, but still ended up with a rather condescending reply questioning my programming ability and whether or not I was fit to make a game, as if that's even a thing.
I mostly put it down to the fact that we don't really know what's going on with people, different cultures can put things across in different ways, and often don't mean any harm, they're just very blunt and straight-forward when they put across their view. Sometimes it could be something along the lines of Autism, where that's just how they are, but we don't know them personally, and have no way of knowing that's their personality, we're all identical to each other on here, and we probably have a set standard of what we expect, so we don't make allowances for people that we might make in real life, if we knew the person. If you knew someone with a type of Autism for example, you might overlook certain behaviour because you know it's not easy for them to control it or they may not even realize it's upset someone, we don't have that benefit on here and might not overlook it so easily.
But that's just my thoughts on it, similar to Saffeine, try and give the benefit of the doubt as long as they're not *too* rude/nasty, we don't really know anything about each other at the end of the day.
i have learned that it is best to make a topic on the forum, rude, not rude, elites, noobs, i dont care, there are a bunch who just talk to the point and i dont care much for the rest. with people you can go from a to b to c, maybe learn some new technique, this you cannot see in the manual. so yes i wuld advice even for stupid questions to ask people and discuss it with them rather then read some text that is as old as the bible.Honest question and not being disrespectful here. Do you personally feel like you are a noob at 1540 posts?
Do you think after 1540 posts that you may have learned that the manual is your number one best friend?
again you talk for some superficial problem that i dont see in this forum, and i doubt anyone left here becouse of rude people, you cant keep everyone around, people arent cows. again you talk for the sake of talking, show me an example of a rude response to someone. from the forum. that was so rude that the person left the forum.As I have said, report if you feel necessary. If you don't think there's any sense in reporting something then simply don't.
If you think it's ok to be rude, then people need a safe space from you. No sane person wants someone constantly being rude to them for no reason, and if you are being rude without a valid reason then you should be reported, so a moderator can respectfully tell you to be more constructive, and if you repeat the offense, you should get a warning/ban for harassment.
yes it does harm if you are being rude and cause an argument rather than trying to help someone solve a problem, that's doing harm to the person who is trying to accomplish something. If you're trying to prevent someone rather than help, that's harmful by default, like trying to push someone off the road so they fall into a river.
There are no mad dogs, you're right, but there most certainly are certain characters that have, as Nocturne has said, caused new members to altogether leave the community because of rude and unhelpful members, which is the opposite of what the moderators want this forum to be.
Interesting you mention the manual. Do you feel that the manual should be the first point of reference before posting a question?with people you can go from a to b to c, maybe learn some new technique, this you cannot see in the manual.
it's literally impossible to gauge how many people may have / may not have left due to a rude response.again you talk for some superficial problem that i dont see in this forum, and i doubt anyone left here becouse of rude people, you cant keep everyone around, people arent cows. again you talk for the sake of talking, show me an example of a rude response to someone. from the forum. that was so rude that the person left the forum.
and i doubt anyone left here becouse of rude people,