Is GMS1.4 slower than GMS1.2?

[Misty]

Friend of mine said GMS1.2 is twice as fast as GMS1.4.

I don't know where to download GMS1.2 and I am afriad if I install it it will delete GMS1.4 so I'm afraid to test this.

All I know in the matter is that My game was running at over 200 fps with 3200 3d triangles. Then when I added 6 d3d_blocks, the fps went to half.
So like just 6 d3d_blocks can kill your game, but models saves your game and brings you to glory.

 

[icuurd12b42]

OMG you are soooo far behind. and yes I would be afraid if I was you...

http://store.yoyogames.com/downloads/gm-studio/release-notes-studio.html

Click the version you want to install by clicking the green version number... so you can go back to 1.2 if you stuff falls apart.

Make sure you backup your project first

 

[khaled]

does google play support playservice in 1.2 ?

 

[YellowAfterlife]

I'm willing to bet that they just were testing 1.4 on a project with sleep margin set to 1ms (instead of common values like 15ms). GMS 1.2 was released in 2013 (and several thousand resolved bug reports ago) so you definitely don't want to be doing anything with it.

 

[Misty]

OMG you are soooo far behind. and yes I would be afraid if I was you...

http://store.yoyogames.com/downloads/gm-studio/release-notes-studio.html

Click the version you want to install by clicking the green version number... so you can go back to 1.2 if you stuff falls apart.

Make sure you backup your project first

Hmm I think you have the reverse temporal order...I have gms1.4 so I want to go back to gms1.4 if gms1.2 falls apart.

I'm willing to bet that they just were testing 1.4 on a project with sleep margin set to 1ms (instead of common values like 15ms). GMS 1.2 was released in 2013 (and several thousand resolved bug reports ago) so you definitely don't want to be doing anything with it.

Hmm he said gms1.2 had double framerate. I am willing to deal with the bugs if it gives me a double frame rate. I research sleep margin and it says a higher sleep margin stabilizes fps, so i will put it to 15 like you say. But on the other hand, I dont think the sleep margin will double my fps. I am still trying to figure out how gms1.2 doubles the fps, but I am afraid to install gms1.2 because I fear it will delete gms1.4.

 

[orange451]

My game was running at over 200 fps with 3200 3d triangles.

:V

 

[zendraw]

I'm willing to bet that they just were testing 1.4 on a project with sleep margin set to 1ms (instead of common values like 15ms). GMS 1.2 was released in 2013 (and several thousand resolved bug reports ago) so you definitely don't want to be doing anything with it.

ive just read the manual that its best to keep the sleep margin to 1ms and only to somthing higher if using a slower machine or somthing. shuld one consider rising it? im really not sure.

 

[Misty]

:V

Well someone said that you can't have N64 quality graphics in GM, but I think they are totally wrong.

If you know what you are doing you can have n64 quality graphics at a higher fps than an original n64.

 

[orange451]

With only 3200 triangles, you should have in the thousands of fps, not 200. Unless you somehow don't have a graphics card in your computer, or you're using something from the mid 90s.

 

[Kenjiro]

Well someone said that you can't have N64 quality graphics in GM, but I think they are totally wrong.

If you know what you are doing you can have n64 quality graphics at a higher fps than an original n64.

N64 had an absolute maximum resolution of 720 x 576 and was released 21 years ago.

If you can't match its performance in GMS, you need to refactor your code somewhat.

 

[Misty]

With only 3200 triangles, you should have in the thousands of fps, not 200. Unless you somehow don't have a graphics card in your computer, or you're using something from the mid 90s.

Well an empty gmstudio 1.4 room only runs at 300 fps at most.

An empty gm8.1 room runs at 600 fps for some reason.

 

[orange451]

Is your computer from the mid 90s?

 

[Misty]

Is your computer from the mid 90s?

No. I think you are used to the power of modern machines and overestimate the power of computers from the 2000's. My computer was a higher end machine from the late 2000's and outperformed it's sister's of her day.

 

[orange451]

So you're upset that (modern) Game Maker isn't fast enough on ancient hardware?

 

[GMWolf]

My game was running at over 200 fps with 3200 3d triangles. Then when I added 6 d3d_blocks, the fps went to half.

Thats actually pretty poor... as mentioned before, even on a low end machine you should get much higher FPS.
And d3d_blocks have to rebuild VBO's every frame, so yeah, they are super slow.

As for 1.4 being 2x slower? Eh, hard to believe.
1.4 brought us Vertex Buffers. Check them out, you should be able to dramatically improve your performance with those, if you use them correctly.

 

[Misty]

So you're upset that (modern) Game Maker isn't fast enough on ancient hardware?

Im upset that you are saying Im upset. When did I say I was upset?

All I said was I wanted to double my fps.

Thats actually pretty poor... as mentioned before, even on a low end machine you should get much higher FPS.
And d3d_blocks have to rebuild VBO's every frame, so yeah, they are super slow.

As for 1.4 being 2x slower? Eh, hard to believe.
1.4 brought us Vertex Buffers. Check them out, you should be able to dramatically improve your performance with those, if you use them correctly.

Im saying when I have an empty room in GM1.4, it runs at 300 fps, but when i have an empty room in gm8.1 it runs at 600 fps. I dont want to use gm8.1 one so i am trying to analyze and figure out why this behavoir occurs. Also I cannot test my project in gm8.1 because it was made in studio1.4.

 

[GMWolf]

Have you checked your sleep margins? (as mentioned above).

 

[Misty]

Have you checked your sleep margins? (as mentioned above).

I put it to 15 ms yesterday but I didnt notice any difference. However I forget to test the empty room theory with the 15 ms sleep margin and I will see if it does anything.

 

[GMWolf]

Could you also tell us what hardware you are running, as well as what OS? (and make sure your drivers are up to date)

 

[Kenjiro]

Im upset that you are saying Im upset. When did I say I was upset?

Just then.

All I said was I wanted to double my fps.

Spend $50 on a low end graphics from something manufactured in the past decade, problem solved.

 

[Micah_DS]

Alright, let's see if I can explain this. SOMEONE PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M OFF-BASE ON THIS:

Unfortunately, we can only guess on some of these things without YYG telling us the details of how things are working, because there is a lot going on 'under the hood', due to how high-level programming tends to work.
Other's who have better knowledge of computer science than me could more accurately guess and explain, but what I expect is going on is that 8.1 needs to run at a higher fps real because it's actually less optimized than Studio, and that Studio can run the game at a lower fps real, due to being more efficient, needing less cpu overhead (padding) to maintain a steady framerate for the game. Does this make sense?

In short, I'm saying Studio is likely running the game at a smaller fps real because it doesn't need to run as cpu-intensive as 8.1 does to get the same steady framerate.

It's worth noting that the goal of the fps real isn't to be as high as possible, but it's more accurately something you want to be just high enough to be trusted to maintain the desired fps on your game's low-end target. Having it any higher than that is a waste of cpu power.

EDIT: Guess I didn't exactly answer the OP about 1.2 being 2x faster than 1.4, but I'm wondering if it might just be something like what I've explained here, where it's running at less fps real but that actual fps are still maintained? If that's the case, then 1.4 is actually doing better than 1.2, yes?

 

[Kenjiro]

Alright, let's see if I can explain this. SOMEONE PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M OFF-BASE ON THIS:

Unfortunately, we can only guess on some of these things without YYG telling us the details of how things are working, because there is a lot going on 'under the hood', due to how high-level programming tends to work.
Other's who have better knowledge of computer science than me could more accurately guess and explain, but what I expect is going on is that 8.1 needs to run at a higher fps real because it's actually less optimized than Studio, and that Studio can run the game at a lower fps real, due to being more efficient, needing less cpu overhead (padding) to maintain a steady framerate for the game. Does this make sense?

In short, I'm saying Studio is likely running the game at a smaller fps real because it doesn't need to run as cpu-intensive as 8.1 does to get the same steady framerate.

It's worth noting that the goal of the fps real isn't to be as high as possible, but it's more accurately something you want to be just high enough to be trusted to maintain the desired fps on your game's low-end target. Having it any higher than that is a waste of cpu power.

Guess I didn't exactly answer the OP maybe though about 1.2 being 2x faster than 1.4, but I'm wondering if it might just be something like this, where it's running at less fps real but that actual fps are still maintained? If that's the case, then 1.4 is actually doing better than 1.2, yes?

Yes 8.1 is a bit different under the hood. For starters it uses the fixed function pipeline (i.e. no shaders). Which inhibits what can be achieved, but possibly makes a 'vanilla' project run faster. Then there's the 'application_surface' which is on by default. Turning this off will give an instant framerate boost.

I hazard a guess that a well written GMS project will beat an 8.1 project every time. Only a guess though, I don't have 8.1.

 

[Misty]

Turns out it was the fps real, I went in Debug and the debug fps was the same as Gm 8.1.

Two things:
1. I can't buy a videocard because its a laptop. But I have a Nvideo Geforce from 2008. I have windows 7 also.
2. I tried the sleep thing but putting it to 15 ms made the fps more unstable (the opposite of what I read from online.)